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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr X View Post
    That is for the judge to decide, A young offenders institute until 18 then transferred to an adult prison. but the main point is that they should be tried as minors due to their age. Under law, everyone under the age of 18 is a minor, that doesn't change regardless of their actions.

    Stealing is wrong, but if a 4 year old stole a chocolate bar from a shop, I wouldn't expect them to be tried as an adult.
    If the end result is the same, a long prison sentence, why do you quibble over whether they are tried ad juveniles or adults?

    Even if they were tried as adults, they would be in a juvenile facility until they were 18, so what is the difference?

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    I'm always skeptical of putting a fifteen or sixteen year old into a cage for the rest of their lives even if they committed an atrocious crime. Other than slaking a completely understandable desire for vengeance and potentially (though unlikely in the long run) soothing a victims family what is the purpose? It seems plausible that they could be rehabilitated and eventually reintroduced into society as productive citizens. This would in my view do more for society than holding them for life.
    Whose life do you want to put in danger to test that theory?

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Yes, incarceration where they won't be a threat to society anymore, AND we don't have to kill anyone either. It's a win-win situation.
    I have less problems with the family of the victim killing the killer than when the government does

    but for a 16 year old-50 years in prison (the life span of lifers is about 15 years lower than free citizens) is far worse than being "put to sleep" like an unwanted dog



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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    I'm always skeptical of putting a fifteen or sixteen year old into a cage for the rest of their lives even if they committed an atrocious crime. Other than slaking a completely understandable desire for vengeance and potentially (though unlikely in the long run) soothing a victims family what is the purpose? It seems plausible that they could be rehabilitated and eventually reintroduced into society as productive citizens. This would in my view do more for society than holding them for life.
    Unless, of course, those that make the decision to realease them are not held accountable for that action in any way. The problem with that lofty goal is the recidivism rate. We are faced with the choice of saving money or saving lives.

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    How is releasing someone after they've been rehabilitated and are no longer a danger to society a license to kill? Isn't that better than just releasing them after some arbitrary length of time?
    When a gang wants to do a murder they will send out the 15 year olds telling them, don't worry. you'll be out in a few years and we will throw you a great party.

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    How is releasing someone after they've been rehabilitated and are no longer a danger to society a license to kill? Isn't that better than just releasing them after some arbitrary length of time?
    Who is making that decision and what are the consequences of an error in that judgement?

    I propose this solution: lock up folks until they deemed "safe" to release, as you desire, but with one big catch, if they repeat offend (at an equal or greater severity than their initial crime) then those, on the parole board, that deemed them "rehabilitated" will then serve time with them until the initial offender is deemed trustworthy for release again by a new parole board.
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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    When a gang wants to do a murder they will send out the 15 year olds telling them, don't worry. you'll be out in a few years and we will throw you a great party.
    I'm not sure what part of "they won't be allowed out unless they are deemed to no longer be dangerous" you don't understand.
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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    I understand these cases occur. I was expressing a personal opinion. IMV, the courts should expedite these cases not have them standing in line with Joe's beef with his neighbor appeal to higher courts. What is a reasonable appeal time frame?
    I supplied a link for you to read about why the appeals process takes so long.

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    I'm not sure what part of "they won't be allowed out unless they are deemed to no longer be dangerous" you don't understand.
    They will be deemed not dangerous in short order. The thinking among people like you, (bleeding heat liberals) is they were just stupid kids that didn't really know what they were doing so when they hit 21 or so you will say they are adults now and deserve a second shot at life.

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