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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    How is releasing someone after they've been rehabilitated and are no longer a danger to society a license to kill? Isn't that better than just releasing them after some arbitrary length of time?
    What happens when they get "bored" again?
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    What happens when they get "bored" again?
    If there was a fear that they would return to the same pattern of behavior, they wouldn't be released. The idea would be to fix whatever behavioral problems led 3 teenagers to murder a man because they were bored. If those problems could be fixed, then why keep spending money to incarcerate them? And if they can't be fixed, then they remain incarcerated indefinitely. Sure, the system wouldn't be perfect, and there would still be some recidivism, but it's got to be better than the current system where we just imprison people for mostly random lengths of time, and don't really do much to try and actually rehabilitate them while they're in prison.
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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    If there was a fear that they would return to the same pattern of behavior, they wouldn't be released. The idea would be to fix whatever behavioral problems led 3 teenagers to murder a man because they were bored. If those problems could be fixed, then why keep spending money to incarcerate them? And if they can't be fixed, then they remain incarcerated indefinitely. Sure, the system wouldn't be perfect, and there would still be some recidivism, but it's got to be better than the current system where we just imprison people for mostly random lengths of time, and don't really do much to try and actually rehabilitate them while they're in prison.
    No system can rehabilitate anyone that doesn't have a desire to be rehabilitated and better themselves in life. The system can offer an opportunity, just as it does outside of prison, but it is up to the individual to take advantage of those opportunities...
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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    No system can rehabilitate anyone that doesn't have a desire to be rehabilitated and better themselves in life. The system can offer an opportunity, just as it does outside of prison, but it is up to the individual to take advantage of those opportunities...
    I agree with that. However, I'll also point out that there are plenty of people who could be rehabilitated if given an honest chance at it.

    For example, recent statistics have shown that close to half of all prisoners in the US exhibit some type of mental health problems. Treating those could go a long way towards rehabilitating those people.

    Others are kids who weren't raised right and never really learned right from wrong. They might be able to be rehabilitated too.

    With a recidivism rate of 60% in the US, I think we need to try something different.
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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    What do you mean? When someone is sentenced to the death penalty, they are a victim of state-sponsored murder. It's really that simple.
    Murder is the illegal killing of a person

    If its state sponsored its not illegal. If its not illegal it's not murder.

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    I agree with that. However, I'll also point out that there are plenty of people who could be rehabilitated if given an honest chance at it.

    For example, recent statistics have shown that close to half of all prisoners in the US exhibit some type of mental health problems. Treating those could go a long way towards rehabilitating those people.

    Others are kids who weren't raised right and never really learned right from wrong. They might be able to be rehabilitated too.

    With a recidivism rate of 60% in the US, I think we need to try something different.
    The recidivism rate reflects the "societal" structure of any prison system. It's not like you have the opportunity to change your location to escape a bad neighborhood. That is one change that could be implemented to correct that particular problem...
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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Sometimes they don't realize the consequences of their actions.
    I don't care if they do or not.

    They killed a man for no reason.

    They need to be kept away from civilized people for a long time.

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by TiredOfLife View Post
    No teenager knows fully what they are doing. We can't even get adults to that stage. That's the problem.
    You are saying teenagers are not capable of knowing the difference between right and wrong?

    Is that what you are trying to get us to believe?

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I think kids under 17 are worth trying to rehabilitate. Whether or not it works is another thing entirely but it's totally worth the effort when it comes to such a young life IMO. I don't know all the details to this specific case, so I don't really feel comfortable going into any detailed kind of plan for these particular kids.
    So the 17 year old should be tried as a juvenile and then pot him in a juvenile facitility for a couple of months then let him out?

    Maybe of he turns 18 during the process, they just send him home.

    Would that be right?

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I believe as of right now, it is illegal to execute anyone under the age of 18 as cruel and unusual punishment (as of 2005 I believe, but I could be wrong), but we have certainly executed minors in the past. The youngest person on record executed was 14 years old.

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    United States: A World Leader In Executing Juveniles, Human Rights Watch Report, March 1995
    Is execution by being shot in the back unsuspectingly cruel and unusual punishment?
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