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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Ummm, exactly what do you think the definition of justice is? The symbol for justice is a pair of scales. Justice is the method used to balance those scales. Iow, if you kill someone, justice would require that you pay with your own life. Equal measure.





    What you are talking about is a system of justice which looks only at the past,at what has happened and has no vision for the future.

    I believe that we can do better than that.

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Ummm, exactly what do you think the definition of justice is? The symbol for justice is a pair of scales. Justice is the method used to balance those scales. Iow, if you kill someone, justice would require that you pay with your own life. Equal measure.
    I thought we'd gotten beyond the "eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth" conception of justice. Perhaps not.

    You know that the scales of justice have nothing to do with the apportioning of punishment. You have incorrectly depicted the symbolism. It is a symbol of the balance between the two forces within a trial; the prosecution and defence. It doesn't call for one hurt to be countered with an equal and opposite hurt visited on the perpetrator. That's your invention, I'm sorry to say.
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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    No, they shouldn't be tried as adults. If 18 is going to be the dividing line between a child and an adult, then that should be applied across the board. It's unfair to expect someone to uphold all the responsibilities of an adult while enjoying none of the privileges of being an adult.

    However, I also think sentencing should be changed so that it doesn't matter as much if you're tried as an adult or a child. Someone who commits a crime like this should be incarcerated and rehabilitated until they are deemed safe to return to normal society, regardless of their age. Prisoners would still be separated by age, and the rehabilitation for younger children might take a different form, but they'd still be the responsibility of the state until they were deemed safe. They shouldn't just be turned loose at 18 or 21 or whatever the age is in their state.
    So basically you would give every little punk kid gang banger a license to kill.

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    So basically you would give every little punk kid gang banger a license to kill.
    I'm really struggling to understand how you could read what I posted and come away with that.
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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    I'm really struggling to understand how you could read what I posted and come away with that.
    If you are not going to hold so called kids responsible when they murder you have given them a license to kill.

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    I'm really struggling to understand how you could read what I posted and come away with that.
    Because unless you are calling for death or LWP, you're soft on criminals. Apparently. According to some.
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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    If you are not going to hold so called kids responsible when they murder you have given them a license to kill.
    Who said I'm not going to hold them accountable. Go back and read what I actually wrote.
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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Chris Lane shooting a gang initiation, says father who called police


    Duncan, Oklahoma: Chris Lane was murdered as a part of a gang initiation, according to James Johnson, the father of a boy who was also allegedly targeted by the three youths accused of killing Mr Lane.

    Police have not commented on the claim, though court documents confirm the accused were eventually arrested in front of the boy's home.

    In their car, police say they found a shotgun and the .22-calibre revolver they believe was used to kill Mr Lane, and a cache of ammunition.
    It just keeps getting worse and some people still want these POS scumbags to be treated like "children".
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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    Who said I'm not going to hold them accountable. Go back and read what I actually wrote.
    You said they shouldn't be tried as adults and should be released when the state deems them "safe". License to kill.

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Because unless you are calling for death or LWP, you're soft on criminals. Apparently. According to some.
    What crime would a 15, 16, 17 yr old have to commit, in your view, to be subject to the death penalty or LWP? Clearly, you don't think driving around, bored, and executing a total stranger for the fun of it passes the bar in your view, so what would?
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