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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    So in some cases, we don't trust minors to be fully responsible for their actions, and in others, we don't, the only difference being that we find one thing more outrageous, the other not? That doesn't make sense. Either they are fully mature, or they aren't.

    And besides, where should we draw the line? Don't 6 year olds understand that killing another person is wrong, too? Of course they do. Yet nobody in his right mind would judge them with the same yardstick as adults, but look at the parents first.
    with the level of irresponsibility of many youths these days.. yea, there must be shorter lines drawn on some things than others..
    idle hands are the devils workshop..

    as for capitol punishment for children, strangely enough I think its more of a question of "can they be righted?", rather than the child's age.. though I suspect age would certainly be a factor.

    in light of this trio's motive and their age, I believe these guys are among the worst humanity has to offer and IMO aren't worth saving.
    I suppose it seems harsh but also IMO the kid they murdered was very likely a benefit to society and easily worth three of them.

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Because there is a VAST difference between letting an adolescent get off lightly for "mischief"-grade crimes like minor vandalism, petty theft, or fist fighting... and letting them get off lightly when they murdered a man for no reason at all other than boredom and malicious indifference to human life.
    So what's the difference? You, as an adult, would get off lightly for 'mischief-grade' crimes. Why not dispense with the juvenile offender distinction and leave it in the hands of the judge?
    Seems like legislators want to keep taking discretion away from judges. Mandatory sentences are another example. Why have judges at all- let's just have a decision of guilty or not-guilty according to a decision arrived at in conference with the prosecution, the defense, and an elected representative of the government and apply the sentences that the legislature has decided on.

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by Ray410 View Post
    The reason this "problem" has not been resolved before now is because nobody knows what to do.

    It's not a matter of rehabilitation, they failed to develop the slightest shred of conscience or compassion during the early years when other children are developing those critical traits. My guess is that this lack of humanity in "children " is rapidly becoming an evident problem throughout the civilized world.

    In all likelihood, these "children" if ever set free, will spend the rest of their lives brutally harming innocent people and even other children and still incur millions of dollars from taxpayers to babysit them for the rest of their lives.

    We owe a duty to those future innocent victims as well as the young man they murdered.

    I believe the solution is that they should be tried as adults, but with certain adult punishments taken off the table, such as the death penalty. That would leave the problem of long term cost to taxpayers, which would require that they be forced to work to pay for their room and board during the entire time they are incarcerated.
    I could maybe agree with that.

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    So what's the difference? You, as an adult, would get off lightly for 'mischief-grade' crimes. Why not dispense with the juvenile offender distinction and leave it in the hands of the judge?
    Seems like legislators want to keep taking discretion away from judges. Mandatory sentences are another example. Why have judges at all- let's just have a decision of guilty or not-guilty according to a decision arrived at in conference with the prosecution, the defense, and an elected representative of the government and apply the sentences that the legislature has decided on.

    Has no relationship to what actually happens in court; hyperbole.

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I think kids under 17 are worth trying to rehabilitate. Whether or not it works is another thing entirely but it's totally worth the effort when it comes to such a young life IMO. I don't know all the details to this specific case, so I don't really feel comfortable going into any detailed kind of plan for these particular kids.
    It appears the evidence is piling up. That's an awfully propitious statement for alleged premeditated murderers.
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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    It appears the evidence is piling up. That's an awfully propitious statement for alleged premeditated murderers.
    That isn't new.

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quit dragging me back into this thread. I've already said everything I need to say and posted links. Anything else is just useless arguing.

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    It appears the evidence is piling up. That's an awfully propitious statement for alleged premeditated murderers.
    I believe that one of them is a white kid. At least if the mug shots I saw were the three who have been accused.
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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Has no relationship to what actually happens in court; hyperbole.
    Hyberbole? D'ya think?
    Do we still have a discussion about juvenile offender rules? I'm saying either try everyone under the same set of rules or have a different set of rules for juvenile offenders. Not either-or at the same time.

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