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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    If we were talking about 10yo's, GG, or even 12yo's... I might be inclined to agree. But 15 and 16yo's are old enough to know better and have no excuse for murdering a man out of boredom.
    they would be hard to salvage and probably not worth the effort. and the guy is dead. That's what people tend to forget. a price has to be paid.



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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    Killing another person is not a trivial matter where age matters in relation to the crime committed. This was not a case of mischief or a poor decision that only hurt the participant...
    Of course it isn't. And I never suggested otherwise.
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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    Of course it isn't. And I never suggested otherwise.
    What are you suggesting?
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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    What are you suggesting?
    Applying juvenile law (not going to judge the details of the law here). But there is a reason why there is a juvenile law in the first place. We can't just throw it out of the window just because we have a case at hand that's especially outraging. When the distinction becomes arbitrary, why do we have a majority age at all?

    Maybe it should also be looked upon the parents and if there is or is not some responsibility on their side too.
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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    Applying juvenile law (not going to judge the details of the law here). But there is a reason why there is a juvenile law in the first place. We can't just throw it out of the window just because we have a case at hand that's especially outraging. When the distinction becomes arbitrary, who do we have a legal age at all?

    Maybe it should also be looked upon the parents and if there is or is not some responsibility on their side too.
    and if they are tried under juvenile law, they would get out at age 21, 4-6 years for a crime that should involve at minimum LWOP



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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    Sure they don't, and that's not in the slightest what I'm suggesting. I'm just saying it's possible that they are not mature enough to fully understand the consequences.

    GG, adult criminals are well known for either not fully understanding the consequences and ramifications of their actions, or not believing they will suffer them. This too is not an adequate excuse for anyone much past 10yo when we're talking about deliberate and unjustifiable murder.


    I'm going to bet you could talk to hundreds of 15-16yos and that almost none of them, save perhaps those with severe cognitive problems, would fail to agree that purposeless murder was wrong and that severe consequences would likely entail... ergo, these perps could have, should have, and almost certainly did, know better.

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    Applying juvenile law (not going to judge the details of the law here). But there is a reason why there is a juvenile law in the first place. We can't just throw it out of the window just because we have a case at hand that's especially outraging. When the distinction becomes arbitrary, why do we have a majority age at all?

    Maybe it should also be looked upon the parents and if there is or is not some responsibility on their side too.
    The application of juvenile laws typically ends at age 21 or younger depending on the State. Should these teens be allowed to be reintroduced into society that quickly?
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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    Applying juvenile law (not going to judge the details of the law here). But there is a reason why there is a juvenile law in the first place. We can't just throw it out of the window just because we have a case at hand that's especially outraging. When the distinction becomes arbitrary, why do we have a majority age at all?

    Maybe it should also be looked upon the parents and if there is or is not some responsibility on their side too.

    We have a juvenile justice system to deal with relatively minor problems of juvenile delinquency like underage drinking, vandalism, brawling, petty theft, and suchlike... it is actually commonplace in most states for juveniles to be tried as adults if they commit a capital crime like murder. The Juvie system was never designed to handle capital crimes. It was intended to give juvenile offenders guilty of minor crimes a second chance.... not to let murderers get off lightly.

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Should these teens be tried as adults?
    Only if adults who break the law doing really idiotic childish things can be tried as children.

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    GG, adult criminals are well known for either not fully understanding the consequences and ramifications of their actions, or not believing they will suffer them. This too is not an adequate excuse for anyone much past 10yo when we're talking about deliberate and unjustifiable murder.

    I'm going to bet you could talk to hundreds of 15-16yos and that almost none of them, save perhaps those with severe cognitive problems, would fail to agree that purposeless murder was wrong and that severe consequences would likely entail... ergo, these perps could have, should have, and almost certainly did, know better.
    Earlier I posted that the 16 yo who shot the gun and the 17 yo ringleader should both be tried as adults. However, unless someone has posted any update??? I'd think the 15 yo who just "rode along" should be tried as a juvenile. The youngest "follower" there, not much more he could do but maybe suggest it's not a good idea. He may be salvageable.
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