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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post




    Well it certainly doesn't sound like any kind of modern system of justice to me

    It sounds more like eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.
    Ummm, exactly what do you think the definition of justice is? The symbol for justice is a pair of scales. Justice is the method used to balance those scales. Iow, if you kill someone, justice would require that you pay with your own life. Equal measure.
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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Ummm, exactly what do you think the definition of justice is? The symbol for justice is a pair of scales. Justice is the method used to balance those scales. Iow, if you kill someone, justice would require that you pay with your own life. Equal measure.
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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post




    Well it looks like you got one thing right.

    I'll just add that I am not interested in trying to judge those young men, I'll leave that to the Oklahoma justice system.
    So all you have is a cheap holier than thou act. That's nice, dear.
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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr X View Post
    Being a child is dictated by age, not actions. And they haven't been convicted yet.
    You're still supporting child rape.
    Nope, if I had my way, the family of the man slain would have half a day with those mopes and a full pardon from the president and governor for whatever they would do



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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Sympathy for a cold-blooded murderer is an insult to his victims.


    That young man probably had parents, brothers, sisters, grandparents, nieces and nephews, cousins and friends, who loved him and have done little but weep and wail since they heard of his senseless killing. "Why??" and "Why him?" will echo in their hearts for the rest of their lives. The hole this crime left in their hearts will never really heal; it will just scar over, but never be the same.

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    DUNCAN, Okla. (AP) — With the simplest of motives — breaking up the boredom of an Oklahoma summer — three teenagers followed an Australian collegiate baseball player who was attending school in the U.S. and killed him with a shot to the back for “the fun of it,” prosecutors said Tuesday as they charged two of the teens with murder.
    As the boys appeared in an Oklahoma courtroom, a 17-year-old blurted out, “I pulled the trigger,” then wept after a judge told him that Tuesday’s hearing wasn’t the time or place to sort out the facts of the case.
    Prosecutor Jason Hicks called the boys “thugs” as he told Stephens County Judge Jerry Herberger how Christopher Lane, 22, of Melbourne, died on a city street.
    Chancey Allen Luna, 16, and James Francis Edwards, Jr., 15, of Duncan were charged with first-degree murder and, under Oklahoma law, will be tried as adults. Michael Dewayne Jones, 17, of Duncan was accused of using a vehicle in the discharge of a weapon and accessory to first-degree murder after the fact. He is considered a youthful offender but will be tried in adult court. 3 Teens Charged After Australian Player Slain « CBS Houston
    This is certainly an especially heinous crime, but I don't think minors should ever be tried as adults.

    There is a reason why we don't allow minors to drive, drink alcohol, have sex or engage in certain kinds of contracts and businesses. That's because we don't think they can be held responsible just like adults, which doesn't imply in any way that they should "get away with it" or not face any consequences at all.

    But it should be determined how mature they are, what kind of personality development deficits they have and if and how they can be appropriately be held responsible -- in a manner that does both justice to the victims and the maturity of the perpetrators.
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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    This is certainly an especially heinous crime, but I don't think minors should ever be tried as adults.

    There is a reason why we don't allow minors to drive, drink alcohol, have sex or engage in certain kinds of contracts and businesses. That's because we don't think they can be held responsible just like adults, which doesn't imply in any way that they should "get away with it" or not face any consequences at all.

    But it should be determined how mature they are, what kind of personality development deficits they have and if and how they can be appropriately be held responsible -- in a manner that does both justice to the victims and the maturity of the perpetrators.
    Thes "kids" killed a man in cold blood and he will never get his life back, neither should they.

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    This is certainly an especially heinous crime, but I don't think minors should ever be tried as adults.

    There is a reason why we don't allow minors to drive, drink alcohol, have sex or engage in certain kinds of contracts and businesses. That's because we don't think they can be held responsible just like adults, which doesn't imply in any way that they should "get away with it" or not face any consequences at all.

    But it should be determined how mature they are, what kind of personality development deficits they have and if and how they can be appropriately be held responsible -- in a manner that does both justice to the victims and the maturity of the perpetrators.

    If we were talking about 10yo's, GG, or even 12yo's... I might be inclined to agree. But 15 and 16yo's are old enough to know better and have no excuse for murdering a man out of boredom.

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    This is certainly an especially heinous crime, but I don't think minors should ever be tried as adults.

    There is a reason why we don't allow minors to drive, drink alcohol, have sex or engage in certain kinds of contracts and businesses. That's because we don't think they can be held responsible just like adults, which doesn't imply in any way that they should "get away with it" or not face any consequences at all.

    But it should be determined how mature they are, what kind of personality development deficits they have and if and how they can be appropriately be held responsible -- in a manner that does both justice to the victims and the maturity of the perpetrators.
    Killing another person is not a trivial matter where age matters in relation to the crime committed. This was not a case of mischief or a poor decision that only hurt the participant...
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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    If we were talking about 10yo's, GG, or even 12yo's... I might be inclined to agree. But 15 and 16yo's are old enough to know better and have no excuse for murdering a man out of boredom.
    Sure they don't, and that's not in the slightest what I'm suggesting. I'm just saying it's possible that they are not mature enough to fully understand the consequences.
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