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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Kind of a waste of time to participate in a website devoted to the sharing of opinion and the exchange of views, don't you think, when you criticize people for expressing an opinion - not just disagreeing with the opinion but disagreeing with people actually voicing an opinion - and your not wanting to express any opinion yourself.





    You are wrong. I did express my opinion.

    And my opinion is that this case should be handled by the Oklahoma system of justice.

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

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    You are wrong. I did express my opinion.

    And my opinion is that this case should be handled by the Oklahoma system of justice.
    Did any of the people you attacked suggest otherwise?
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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    It's all in the links I posted. I agree, that in cases of murder, a juvenile should be held for an extended period of time. I just don't know of a logical way to go about doing that, but throwing them into the adult correctional system is not doing anyone any favors.
    I would say the parents, family, girlfriend and friends would enjoy the favor, as well as the people of Australia. Shoot an innocent man in the back for fun and pay the price.

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    And it wasn't. Juries found the murderers of my brother guilty, and sentenced them to death in accordance with the law of my state... which law was passed by the elected legislature.


    What is justice? Justice is making the punishment fit the crime. Take a life with no excuse or valid reason? Lose your own. That is justice.
    I always put it as this, due process is the legitimate process where abused rights become forfeit, meaning it must be adjuticated and guilt proven. If one abuses their freedom by committing a wrong against someone such as theft, violence, etc. then they forfeit that freedom for a period of time certain, same with life. If one uses their life to end another's without just cause it should be a minimum of loss of freedom, with forfeiture of life being an option for the especially cold blooded acts. Rape IMO is an either/or as well, I think harsh sentences at the least, but not opposed to death for forcible under many circumstances due to the exceptionally heinous nature of the act.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Did any of the people you attacked suggest otherwise?



    some of the people on this forum already have these young men convicted and are ready to execute them. I don't go along with that kind of thinking.


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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    I always put it as this, due process is the legitimate process where abused rights become forfeit, meaning it must be adjuticated and guilt proven. If one abuses their freedom by committing a wrong against someone such as theft, violence, etc. then they forfeit that freedom for a period of time certain, same with life. If one uses their life to end another's without just cause it should be a minimum of loss of freedom, with forfeiture of life being an option for the especially cold blooded acts. Rape IMO is an either/or as well, I think harsh sentences at the least, but not opposed to death for forcible under many circumstances due to the exceptionally heinous nature of the act.

    Yes. All things considered, I'd tend to reserve capital punishment for pre-meditated, cold-blooded, zero-excuse, zero-mitigating-circumstances murder, or murder in the course of a "get money" felony, or murder associated with another heinous crime like torture or rape... and insist on solid physical proof (DNA, weapon with fingerprints, etc) to sentence for execution.


    There are just some crimes that demand the ultimate penalty as the only way to redress the balance.

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    some of the people on this forum already have these young men convicted and are ready to execute them. I don't go along with that kind of thinking.
    Sorry, you missed the purpose of the OP - the question was should the teens be tried as adults - that is the discussion I've been having and the discussion that pretty much everyone else has been having - we weren't determining guilt or innocence, just what the sentence should be if they are found guilty, based on the evidence as presented to date. That's a perfectly reasonable discussion to have. You may not be aware of it, but often public opinion in a community can lead to authorities handling a crime in a way the community would prefer.
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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    some of the people on this forum already have these young men convicted and are ready to execute them. I don't go along with that kind of thinking.
    Uh, at least one of them has already convicted them.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Yes. All things considered, I'd tend to reserve capital punishment for pre-meditated, cold-blooded, zero-excuse, zero-mitigating-circumstances murder, or murder in the course of a "get money" felony, or murder associated with another heinous crime like torture or rape... and insist on solid physical proof (DNA, weapon with fingerprints, etc) to sentence for execution.


    There are just some crimes that demand the ultimate penalty as the only way to redress the balance.
    Absolutely. I'm willing to give weight to victims' families, and I have no problem with an absolute proof standard for death penalty conviction.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    some of the people on this forum already have these young men convicted and are ready to execute them. I don't go along with that kind of thinking.
    They shot an innocent man in the back and were caught doing evil on surveillance cameras.
    The police caught up with them and found the gun used to kill the innocent man.
    What would you like to see as evidence?

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