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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Doesn't to me.


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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    birds of a feather....... leader or follower, all 3 were old enough to know better
    The only prayer the other two should have is if they did not know the shooter was "going to do that". If they thought he was going to commit a prank or something along those lines that's one thing, but if they knew he was going to shoot someone and went along that's accomplice charges, in my state you get the same penalty under that circumstance. If they simply wouldn't have stopped him from shooting I think the charge is some form of "indifference".
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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    My apologies for referring back to your son so flippantly - I was trying to make a point against your comment and mine was uncalled for and I uncategorically apologize for it.
    Yes, I accept your apology, but you really should practice on leaving the personal stuff out of your debate. It makes you look weak, seriously.

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    Canadians do seem torn on the issue, however. When the option of life imprisonment without the possibility of parole is introduced to the mix we seem to change our tune. When the pollster asked respondents if they support capital punishment or life in prison, the majority of those surveyed chose the latter (45 per cent versus 39 per cent). The bottom line, I guess, is that Canadians want tougher penalties for those who commit murder.


    As for children, the majority of Canadians are outraged at the leniency with which young adults are treated under our Young Offenders Act and want it abolished and most if not all teenaged youth tried as adults particularly when they commit heinous crimes like murder.
    Funny, I didn't note that in the link provided. Care to quote that section for me?

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Your analysis? FYI, I'm not making any analyses, I'm waiting to hear more information before I crucify them. Again, nobody said anything about "three precious dears who need to be saved" or any of these other retarded things.
    No, you're not waiting - you've already determined by your own words that they should not be tried as adults and they should not spend any time in an adult correctional facility. Equally, you've already determined that the evidence presented in court at their hearing isn't truthful or that it isn't reliable.
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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Ever had someone you love murdered? It can change your mind.
    I completely understand that it would make even more emotional about it. Emotion should probably not be included when applying the law.

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by Thom Paine View Post
    Gosh Chris, you give "Stand Your Ground" a different perspective. You've been taking on all comers to defend your position since yesterday. I truly admire what seems to be sincere fortitude.
    I agree with your statement above. The original question concerns their crime status as adults or children; I will re-issue my response...
    Based upon the alleged admissions of the alleged perpetrators that they did knowingly plan, follow through, and execute with malice and forethought the heinous crime of murder upon an innocent soul the young men should stand trial as adults and if convicted receive full force and effect of the most severe punishment available in accordance with the laws of the State of Oklahoma.
    I do not agree, in this case, that rehabilitation is an option.
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    Thank you Thom. I'll take that as a compliment. I appreciate your respectful reply, and I certainly acknowledge that you are entitled to disagree.

    Everything you stated above is allegedly what occurred, but that still doesn't change the fact that they were kids, and I'm still against the DP.

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    No, you're not waiting - you've already determined by your own words that they should not be tried as adults and they should not spend any time in an adult correctional facility. Equally, you've already determined that the evidence presented in court at their hearing isn't truthful or that it isn't reliable.
    I'm referring to their guilt or innocence and what exactly occurred, since I don't know enough details about that yet, other than this article. I also read elsewhere that the pictures of the boys was somehow inaccurate too. Go figure. None of this changes the ages of the defendants though.

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I completely understand that it would make even more emotional about it. Emotion should probably not be included when applying the law.
    I agree with that. If that man was my brother I'd honestly probably want them executed in the most painful way possible. But right now I recognize that as irrational. And there's nothing wrong with being irrational in a situation like that. In fact there might be something wrong if you weren't. But the justice system shouldn't reflect that.
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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by Surtr View Post
    Neither will you.





    Well it looks like you got one thing right.

    I'll just add that I am not interested in trying to judge those young men, I'll leave that to the Oklahoma justice system.

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by TiredOfLife View Post
    Special? You mean like not being an adult?
    That is the only special category? I might qualify anyway... I am pretty immature.
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    Usually a gag for wise mouthed insulting little girls. Then some good nylon rope so I can tie them up, toss them in the trunk of my car and forget about them.

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