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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    All three should be charged equally. The 17yo was driving so he was every bit as actively involved as the others. The ONLY way I'd consider letting him off the hook is if it can be proved that the others forced him into participating.





    You are another person who is quick to judge who will not be making any decisions in this case.

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    and anyone who can't see that teenagers who act like adults are not "children" has problems. you guys keep missing the point. it's not like these guys were out doing stupid "kid stuff" and someone got killed. they deliberately planned to hunt down another human being and kill them. that is not a lapse in judgement or any other childlike excuse. that is the act of a seriously ****ed up adult.

    it's not like this was a bunch of kids who found daddy's gun and were playing cops and robbers and shot one of their playmates
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    Nothing that you have said changes my opinion even a little bit.

    Children are children and adults are adults.

    We shouldn't treat children the same way that we treat adults and we shouldn't treat adults the same way that we treat children.

    Anyone who doesn't grasp those simple facts has a problem.




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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    You killed somebody, so now I'm going to kill you. Hmm. That doesn't sound like justice to me boys.


    Odd. It sounds EXACTLY like justice to me. It sounded EXACTLY like justice when the two young men who murdered my adopted brother were finally, FINALLY executed.

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    You will not be making any decisions in this case.
    Neither will you.
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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Nothing that you have said changes my opinion even a little bit.

    Children are children and adults are adults.

    We shouldn't treat children the same way that we treat adults and we shouldn't treat adults the same way that we treat children.

    Anyone who doesn't grasp those simple facts has a problem.




    We don't do things here in the USA the way that the Taliban does in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

    Part of the problem is our definition of adult, and child.



    Granted, a 15yo is not fully mature, mentally... certain portions of the brain require up to age 22 or so to fully develop.


    However, a 15yo is not a CHILD anymore either, not in the same sense that a 7yo is a child at least. They are in between, neither fish nor fowl, and that itself is the source of a great deal of problems both from and upon the teenage demographic.


    The fact that the vast majority of 15yo's (over 99%) appear to be able to restrain themselves from murdering people out of sheer boredom argues that they ARE old enough to know that is a heinously wrong action, with heinous consequences for doing it anyway.

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    Then why bother drawing the line at all? What's the use of saying juvenile offenders are tried with a different set of rules if the definition can be tossed aside at will? Just try every case the same and be done with it.

    Because there is a VAST difference between letting an adolescent get off lightly for "mischief"-grade crimes like minor vandalism, petty theft, or fist fighting... and letting them get off lightly when they murdered a man for no reason at all other than boredom and malicious indifference to human life.

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

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    You are another person who is quick to judge who will not be making any decisions in this case.
    You say that last bit a lot, which leads me to believe you don't understand the purpose of a debate site.
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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Odd. It sounds EXACTLY like justice to me. It sounded EXACTLY like justice when the two young men who murdered my adopted brother were finally, FINALLY executed.
    Doesn't to me.

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    I don't buy the so called study.
    Well it's better than anything you've produced to the contrary so far.

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Well, so you don't like my analysis and prefer your own - that's fine - I don't believe your analysis that these are just three precious dears who need to be saved and are just misunderstood and if they could get some guidance and handholding they can be rehabilitated and tossed back out into an unsuspecting world.
    Your analysis? FYI, I'm not making any analyses, I'm waiting to hear more information before I crucify them. Again, nobody said anything about "three precious dears who need to be saved" or any of these other retarded things.

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