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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    as you can clearly see (and I quoted) at least one of them stated that they did it "for the fun of it". do you seriously believe the authorities would report it and risk a mistrial and/or lawsuits if the kid hadn't actually said it?
    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    A signed confession is damning evidence Chris, the only way the defense has a chance of that getting thrown out is to prove that the LEOs coerced it. The fact that the kids gave a reason for the confession................any defense is going to have a hell of a time with this, especially given the fact that they shot someone in the back who didn't even know he was a target, ran, and tried to hide evidence. All of it is documented.
    Okay, let me try a different tactic here. What is the difference between the way you two are reacting to this case and the way others reacted to the Zimmerman case? You are reacting the same as all of those people who screamed, "He's guilty, give him the death penalty!"

    YOU don't know the facts of the case. You only know what you have been TOLD.

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Okay, let me try a different tactic here. What is the difference between the way you two are reacting to this case and the way others reacted to the Zimmerman case? You are reacting the same as all of those people who screamed, "He's guilty, give him the death penalty!"

    YOU don't know the facts of the case. You only know what you have been TOLD.
    Except, Zimmerman didn't initiate violence, he was confronted with violence and there was gray area. In this case, we have an innocent victim shot in the back, with the perpetrators saying they did it because they were bored.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Another thing I would like to add is that a signed confession is NOT good evidence. It can be and frequently IS overturned later on as being not valid for whatever reasons.

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Except, Zimmerman didn't initiate violence, he was confronted with violence and there was gray area. In this case, we have an innocent victim shot in the back, with the perpetrators saying they did it because they were bored.
    Irrelevant, you are jumping to conclusions and convicting these kids before they have had a trial and all the evidence against them has come out. That is NOT how our system works.

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Okay, let me try a different tactic here. What is the difference between the way you two are reacting to this case and the way others reacted to the Zimmerman case? You are reacting the same as all of those people who screamed, "He's guilty, give him the death penalty!"

    YOU don't know the facts of the case. You only know what you have been TOLD.
    wrong. these guys are not claiming self defense, zimmerman did. in the zimmerman case there was no premeditation, in this case there is. and we also have the statement (whether you choose to believe it or not) from one of the killers stating that they did it "for the fun of it".

    if you can't see the difference.....
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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Irrelevant, you are jumping to conclusions and convicting these kids before they have had a trial and all the evidence against them has come out. That is NOT how our system works.
    zimmerman never confessed to murder....these three apparently, and by all reports, have. Sure...they are entitled to a trial (unless they want to take a plea bargain for a lighter sentence)
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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Another thing I would like to add is that a signed confession is NOT good evidence. It can be and frequently IS overturned later on as being not valid for whatever reasons.
    yeah..I'm sure these 3 sweet innocent little cherubs are just misunderstood and have been railroaded
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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    wrong. these guys are not claiming self defense, zimmerman did. in the zimmerman case there was no premeditation, in this case there is. and we also have the statement (whether you choose to believe it or not) from one of the killers stating that they did it "for the fun of it".

    if you can't see the difference.....
    There is no difference before the trial, as we don't know the details and as we do not convict people without a trial. The allegations are different, sure. That has no effect on whether or not you decide on your own, knowing the bare minimum but claiming that's enough to sentence children as adults. That is not how the system works.

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    yeah..I'm sure these 3 sweet innocent little cherubs are just misunderstood and have been railroaded
    Your personal feelings aside, there hasn't been a trial.

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    There is no difference before the trial, as we don't know the details and as we do not convict people without a trial. The allegations are different, sure. That has no effect on whether or not you decide on your own, knowing the bare minimum but claiming that's enough to sentence children as adults. That is not how the system works.
    you are the only one here saying sentence children (which is bull**** anyway. from a legal standpoint the term "child" only applies to persons 14 and under) as adults. they should be CHARGED as adults and let the chips fall where they may
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