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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Shoot the parents. Put the boys in jail forever.

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Perhaps "great deal of success" depends on whether one is the victim of new crimes committed by ex-cons, or wishful thinkers.

    Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS) - Recidivism

    During 2007, a total of 1,180,469 persons on parole were at-risk of reincarceration. This includes persons under parole supervision on January 1 or those entering parole during the year. Of these parolees, about 16% were returned to incarceration in 2007.
    Among nearly 300,000 prisoners released in 15 states in 1994, 67.5% were rearrested within 3 years. A study of prisoners released in 1983 estimated 62.5%.
    Of the 272,111 persons released from prisons in 15 states in 1994, an estimated 67.5% were rearrested for a felony or serious misdemeanor within 3 years, 46.9% were reconvicted, and 25.4% resentenced to prison for a new crime.
    Yup. And guess what?

    America has a terrible track record of even attempting rehabilitation. Probably the worst in the developed world.

    Countries that do rehabilitate have a tiny fraction of our recidivism rate. That is why I suggested we start doing it.

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    If they were thieves, or otherwise criminals who did not commit acts which resulted in the death of a human being, I would tend to agree. These aren't kids who just happened to do something stupid and negligent.
    I might tend to agree except we don't really know anything about these kids.

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    Yup. And guess what?

    America has a terrible track record of even attempting rehabilitation. Probably the worst in the developed world.

    Countries that do rehabilitate have a tiny fraction of our recidivism rate. That is why I suggested we start doing it.
    These are adult recidivism rates. Juvenile statistics are not available because their records are sealed. Also, it is known that rehabilitation is not very effective with adults, but experts have claimed up to an 80% success rate with juveniles, even those who have committed violent crimes.

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I might tend to agree except we don't really know anything about these kids.
    we know that they thought it would be fun to hunt down and kill a random stranger. that's enough for me
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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    Yup. And guess what?

    America has a terrible track record of even attempting rehabilitation. Probably the worst in the developed world.

    Countries that do rehabilitate have a tiny fraction of our recidivism rate. That is why I suggested we start doing it.
    A little more "research" would allow one to learn that the United States did focus on rehabilitation for decades, only to discover it was fruitless. Perhaps if the US were to stop coddling prisoners with TV and other luxuries, these convicts would prefer to stay out of jail.

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    I agree, but I don't think rehabilitation can fix what is broken in this case.
    But then again I am not a psychiatrist, in the case of freedom, perhaps
    a professional should judge weather they are fit to return to society.
    I still don't think I would want someone who places such a low value on
    life, living next to me.
    I can respect your difference of opinion and the fact that you approach the subject in reasonable manner.

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I might tend to agree except we don't really know anything about these kids.
    from the Washington Post:
    Edwards has had run-ins with the law previously and had been in court Friday, the day of the killing, to sign documents related to his juvenile probation
    They have apparently admitted that they did this out of boredom. What the effing hell is that for an excuse?
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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    we know that they thought it would be fun to hunt down and kill a random stranger. that's enough for me
    According to the prosecution anyway.

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    A little more "research" would allow one to learn that the United States did focus on rehabilitation for decades, only to discover it was fruitless. Perhaps if the US were to stop coddling prisoners with TV and other luxuries, these convicts would prefer to stay out of jail.
    Then why do so many countries who rehabilitate have a fraction of our recidivism rate?

    Either we did something wrong, or that's BS.

    Prisoners are not coddles. Quite a few of relatively minor crimes are actually extremely isolated, and certainly don't have TVs.

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