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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I believe this is one area where the American justice system has it right. Young people, 15, 16 and 17, who commit such crimes are not children.
    The law says they are minors, so they should be tried as minors. You can't just say minors are adults for convenience. No-one is defending them, and IF they are convicted, they should be severely punished.

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    Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    You can't make such claims considering you are NOT a psychiatrist and have never examined these kids, never mind even spoken with them.
    I'm not an osteopath either but I can diagnose a broken leg when the bone is sticking out.

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I think kids are worth a shot at rehabilitation. Throwing them into the adult system only creates more chaos and doesn't do any good, but like I said multiple times I think the juvenile system also needs to be fixed so that kids have to do more time in the system for more serious crimes. There are no easy answers, because either way you are going to be mixing adults with minors and that isn't a good thing because they are just not the same. When it comes to a particularly heinous crime, I really don't know what else to do other than holding them for life. Maybe they get transferred over to the adult system somehow, but this I can see having unintended consequences too.
    If they were thieves, or otherwise criminals who did not commit acts which resulted in the death of a human being, I would tend to agree. These aren't kids who just happened to do something stupid and negligent.
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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr X View Post
    The law says they are minors, so they should be tried as minors. You can't just say minors are adults for convenience. No-one is defending them, and IF they are convicted, they should be severely punished.
    And what do you consider "severely punished" for committing an execution under youth offender laws?
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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    If they were thieves, or otherwise criminals who did not commit acts which resulted in the death of a human being, I would tend to agree. These aren't kids who just happened to do something stupid and negligent.
    The severity of the crime is also taken into account. If 16 or 17 year olds were accused of petty larceny, vandalism, or other misdemeanors/nonviolent felonies, they're tried as juveniles because they can still be reasoned with. Thinking that a teenager can just go "oops my bad" with murder is asinine.

    If 17 year olds know that they can commit murder and go free with a clean slate in a year, what's stopping them? Maybe you want to set someone free after 12 months who understood the criminality and sociopathy involved in taking a life maliciously. That's fine - how about they go stay with you and you can sleep with both eyes closed.

    That wasn't directed at you, lizzie...just quoting at random.

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    the fact that this even draws debate astounds me: how would you treat a 65 year old who went out and shot some random guy 'because it would be fun'? unless you are genuinely mentally deficient, and even then, i've known legally retarded children who know 'shooting people isn't nice, even if it's okay in video games'. but every now and then you get some ****head who goes and shoots somebody, and then tries to play the 'oh i was just a stupid kid' it's not even like a case of (consensual) statutory rape: he can't exactly claim he was thinking with his genitals, something i have just a tiny bit of sympathy for. this isn't like the time i jumped off the neighbor's roof to impress the neighbor girl with my flying abilities (honestly, i can fly. i just haven't figured out the whole 'landing' thing yet.....) this is "hey dudes, i'm bored. you wanna go shoot somebody?"
    Criminal Stupidity is not a legal defense.

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    And what do you consider "severely punished" for committing an execution under youth offender laws?
    That is for the judge to decide, A young offenders institute until 18 then transferred to an adult prison. but the main point is that they should be tried as minors due to their age. Under law, everyone under the age of 18 is a minor, that doesn't change regardless of their actions.

    Stealing is wrong, but if a 4 year old stole a chocolate bar from a shop, I wouldn't expect them to be tried as an adult.

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by Serenity View Post
    Just to give you some insight as to what we are seeing in our Media here....

    Obviously the family and friends of the young man are devastated. We're just shaking our heads at such a senseless waste of a life. The mind boggles trying to understand what would make kids decide to go out to shoot someone just for something to do. This entire tragedy impacts on so many innocent people whose lives will never be the same.

    The family of Chris are comforted by the fact that he was very happy in the US. They are so grateful he was being well looked after, he had a girlfriend of 4 years and the Community had embraced him as one of their own. His friends and second family in the US are heartbroken too.

    Many of us are also concerned that his death is already being "used" by those arguing for stricter gun control. He's not a pawn to be used in your arguments. These kids were hell bent on wanting to kill someone and anyone who is that deranged can kill numerous ways. We understand that evil does indeed exist everywhere. We see it here too. We don't have a gun culture here but that doesn't make our kids safe.

    Evil people do evil things.
    I haven't heard much from their side yet fortunately but worry as well that it is going to be abused that way. So far the story is mostly focused on the victim and the sickos who perpetuated this horrid act. It's a shame that an innocent's life was relegated to a game, truly.
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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr X View Post
    That is for the judge to decide, A young offenders institute until 18 then transferred to an adult prison. but the main point is that they should be tried as minors due to their age. Under law, everyone under the age of 18 is a minor, that doesn't change regardless of their actions.

    Stealing is wrong, but if a 4 year old stole a chocolate bar from a shop, I wouldn't expect them to be tried as an adult.
    The very fact that you would try to equate a 4 year old shoplifting a chocolate bar with three late teens executing an innocent man makes anything you say worthless.

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    I'm always skeptical of putting a fifteen or sixteen year old into a cage for the rest of their lives even if they committed an atrocious crime. Other than slaking a completely understandable desire for vengeance and potentially (though unlikely in the long run) soothing a victims family what is the purpose? It seems plausible that they could be rehabilitated and eventually reintroduced into society as productive citizens. This would in my view do more for society than holding them for life.

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