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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    What? You dont think he would go to the funeral of a loved one and tell the others that they should only think logically and to leave their emotions at home.
    Think of what the killers are going through, how terrible their lives were and certianly will be in jail.
    I had a friend murdered many years ago, and people like him gave the guy 20 years for an excecution style murder over a woman.
    The killer was also a police officer as my friend was.
    He is out now and keeps getting in trouble, but seems to keep getting chances. Even though he gave someone else no chance at all. He destroyed a family, but good god. We have to keep giving chances to a killer. LOL
    Sorry about your friend, but this is really nothing more than more emotional drivel. He was obviously an adult. These are kids. There are no points made in this post to counter any of the things I stated or the links I posted other than pleas to emotion. And who is "people like him?"

    I never ever said that these kids should get off lightly or any of the other completely ridiculous statements you made above, so let's TRY to behave like adults and have a reasonable discussion, unless you'd rather put your fingers in your ears and block out all reason and logic.

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Sorry about your friend, but this is really nothing more than more emotional drivel. He was obviously an adult. These are kids. There are no points made in this post to counter any of the things I stated or the links I posted other than pleas to emotion. And who is "people like him?"

    I never ever said that these kids should get off lightly or any of the other completely ridiculous statements you made above, so let's TRY to behave like adults and have a reasonable discussion, unless you'd rather put your fingers in your ears and block out all reason and logic.
    Where have I not behaved like an adult?
    I said, a few times. IF not death, life. Period. No parole, no milk and cookies, no rehab. Just jail.

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    let us not forget that at least one of these punk ass thugs was already on probation. I guess this event shows how effective that was
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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    DUNCAN, Okla. (AP) — With the simplest of motives — breaking up the boredom of an Oklahoma summer — three teenagers followed an Australian collegiate baseball player who was attending school in the U.S. and killed him with a shot to the back for “the fun of it,” prosecutors said Tuesday as they charged two of the teens with murder.
    As the boys appeared in an Oklahoma courtroom, a 17-year-old blurted out, “I pulled the trigger,” then wept after a judge told him that Tuesday’s hearing wasn’t the time or place to sort out the facts of the case.
    Prosecutor Jason Hicks called the boys “thugs” as he told Stephens County Judge Jerry Herberger how Christopher Lane, 22, of Melbourne, died on a city street.
    Chancey Allen Luna, 16, and James Francis Edwards, Jr., 15, of Duncan were charged with first-degree murder and, under Oklahoma law, will be tried as adults. Michael Dewayne Jones, 17, of Duncan was accused of using a vehicle in the discharge of a weapon and accessory to first-degree murder after the fact. He is considered a youthful offender but will be tried in adult court. 3 Teens Charged After Australian Player Slain « CBS Houston
    I believe this is one area where the American justice system has it right. Young people, 15, 16 and 17, who commit such crimes are not children. Young offenders laws in my country are abused regularly by not only young adults under the age of 18 but by adults who use young people under the age of 18 to commit crimes.

    On a side note, I would also charge whomever gave these young men a gun or allowed an insecured weapon to be taken by these young men to senselessly murder an innocent man.
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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by TiredOfLife View Post
    Tell me, does this this crime make sense to you? Of course it doesn't, you're an adult. It's not about wrong or right, it's about having a brain mature enough to hear that clearly though all the other noise in your head. Teens know what is right most of the time, they just aren't any good at doing it. For that you need maturity, which they lack and therefore we call them teens or kids.
    No excuse is valid here. These kids are plenty old enough to have a basic concept of right and wrong and what they did is so far on the side of wrong that no reasonable person could call it a "lapse in judgement". All three are murderers. All three are sociopaths. All three are plenty adult to pay whatever price comes their way and to pay it in full. If, as a society, we choose to do otherwise then all we are doing is sending one more message to the already ****ed up thug culture that we'll tolerate absolutely anything they throw our way.

    We get stuff like this because we're too lenient when we catch kids playing the "knockout game" and don't prosecute them. We get this because we don't prosecute vandalism and petty theft. We make all these excuses for these kids and then expect them to turn out fine? That's just stupid and to cut these soulless miscreants any slack whatsoever is insane.

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Where have I not behaved like an adult?
    I said, a few times. IF not death, life. Period. No parole, no milk and cookies, no rehab. Just jail.
    I think kids are worth a shot at rehabilitation. Throwing them into the adult system only creates more chaos and doesn't do any good, but like I said multiple times I think the juvenile system also needs to be fixed so that kids have to do more time in the system for more serious crimes. There are no easy answers, because either way you are going to be mixing adults with minors and that isn't a good thing because they are just not the same. When it comes to a particularly heinous crime, I really don't know what else to do other than holding them for life. Maybe they get transferred over to the adult system somehow, but this I can see having unintended consequences too.

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    No excuse is valid here. These kids are plenty old enough to have a basic concept of right and wrong and what they did is so far on the side of wrong that no reasonable person could call it a "lapse in judgement". All three are murderers. All three are sociopaths. All three are plenty adult to pay whatever price comes their way and to pay it in full. If, as a society, we choose to do otherwise then all we are doing is sending one more message to the already ****ed up thug culture that we'll tolerate absolutely anything they throw our way.

    We get stuff like this because we're too lenient when we catch kids playing the "knockout game" and don't prosecute them. We get this because we don't prosecute vandalism and petty theft. We make all these excuses for these kids and then expect them to turn out fine? That's just stupid and to cut these soulless miscreants any slack whatsoever is insane.
    You can't make such claims considering you are NOT a psychiatrist and have never examined these kids, never mind even spoken with them.

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I think kids are worth a shot at rehabilitation. Throwing them into the adult system only creates more chaos and doesn't do any good, but like I said multiple times I think the juvenile system also needs to be fixed so that kids have to do more time in the system for more serious crimes. There are no easy answers, because either way you are going to be mixing adults with minors and that isn't a good thing because they are just not the same. When it comes to a particularly heinous crime, I really don't know what else to do other than holding them for life. Maybe they get transferred over to the adult system somehow, but this I can see having unintended consequences too.
    Hold them in juvi till 18 then throw them in GP in prison.

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    And you can't say, well you're an adult when it comes to this, but not when it comes to this, this and this. Where the heck is the logic in that?

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Hold them in juvi till 18 then throw them in GP in prison.
    **** juvie....they did a big boy crime, they need to go to big boy prison.
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