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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Sometimes they don't realize the consequences of their actions.
    They didn't realize that if you shoot somebody there is every chance they will die or be horribly injured for life? C'mon Chris.

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    Should these teens be tried as adults

    The age of consent in Oklahoma is 16. Considering that the state considers 16 year olds old enough to understand the ramifications of sexual intercourse I'd think they'd also assume 16 year olds understand the ramifications of committing murder.
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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    DUNCAN, Okla. (AP) — With the simplest of motives — breaking up the boredom of an Oklahoma summer — three teenagers followed an Australian collegiate baseball player who was attending school in the U.S. and killed him with a shot to the back for “the fun of it,” prosecutors said Tuesday as they charged two of the teens with murder.
    As the boys appeared in an Oklahoma courtroom, a 17-year-old blurted out, “I pulled the trigger,” then wept after a judge told him that Tuesday’s hearing wasn’t the time or place to sort out the facts of the case.
    Prosecutor Jason Hicks called the boys “thugs” as he told Stephens County Judge Jerry Herberger how Christopher Lane, 22, of Melbourne, died on a city street.
    Chancey Allen Luna, 16, and James Francis Edwards, Jr., 15, of Duncan were charged with first-degree murder and, under Oklahoma law, will be tried as adults. Michael Dewayne Jones, 17, of Duncan was accused of using a vehicle in the discharge of a weapon and accessory to first-degree murder after the fact. He is considered a youthful offender but will be tried in adult court. 3 Teens Charged After Australian Player Slain « CBS Houston
    We certainly want to be able to try these kids as adults. But if we have exceptions for punishment but upon age for the reason that kids can't reason out or know as well as adults, then we should probably follow that.
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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Just to give you some insight as to what we are seeing in our Media here....

    Obviously the family and friends of the young man are devastated. We're just shaking our heads at such a senseless waste of a life. The mind boggles trying to understand what would make kids decide to go out to shoot someone just for something to do. This entire tragedy impacts on so many innocent people whose lives will never be the same.

    The family of Chris are comforted by the fact that he was very happy in the US. They are so grateful he was being well looked after, he had a girlfriend of 4 years and the Community had embraced him as one of their own. His friends and second family in the US are heartbroken too.

    Many of us are also concerned that his death is already being "used" by those arguing for stricter gun control. He's not a pawn to be used in your arguments. These kids were hell bent on wanting to kill someone and anyone who is that deranged can kill numerous ways. We understand that evil does indeed exist everywhere. We see it here too. We don't have a gun culture here but that doesn't make our kids safe.

    Evil people do evil things.

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    They didn't realize that if you shoot somebody there is every chance they will die or be horribly injured for life? C'mon Chris.
    From a link I posted earlier in case you missed it. So no, they are not "evil." Also, I clarified my earlier statement to say that children and teens often do not THINK about the consequences of their actions.


    3. With appropriate treatment most children who commit crimes, even the most violent crimes, can be rehabilitated and become responsible adults. Precisely because their brains are still changing. The prefrontal cortex - which regulates aggression, long range planning, mental flexibility, abstract thinking, and perhaps moral judgment (See Bower Study) has not yet developed in children. The amygdala, the center of impulsive and aggressive behavior is the center piece of the child brain and is left unchecked by the under developed prefrontal cortex.
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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by TiredOfLife View Post
    The shooter was probably the most immature of the three.
    He had the wherewithal to hold a gun and shoot an innocent man in the back, killing him.
    His cohorts were supporting him; therefore, they should share in the guilt.
    No reason for the 3 thugs to start acting like babies now.

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    And also:

    1. It is wrong to hold children and adolescents who have not reached legal age to adult standards. In other areas of law we recognize the differences between children and adults. Children are not permitted the same rights and responsibilities as adults (e.g. voting, smoking, joining the military) because we recognize their inability to make adult decisions. Why don't we recognize the same difference in the criminal law? We don't say, "this is a very important election, so let's let the kids vote". We don't say, "this is a very important war so let's give our children weapons and send them to fight". So why do we say "this case is different and this kid deserves to be treated as an adult and locked away in a prison"?
    I know why. It's because people get angry and break out their pitchforks and torches. Instead of thinking logically about the situation, they let emotion take over.

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    15 year olds, no matter the up bringing. Know right from wrong.

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by lolabird View Post
    He had the wherewithal to hold a gun and shoot an innocent man in the back, killing him.
    His cohorts were supporting him; therefore, they should share in the guilt.
    No reason for the 3 thugs to start acting like babies now.
    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    15 year olds, no matter the up bringing. Know right from wrong.
    Soooo . . . no comments on my links and scientific data hmmm? Interesting.

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    They killed someone! Let's kill them. That'll make us feel better!

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