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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by TiredOfLife View Post
    Where's this Right to Life for civilians during war? Did the people we dropped atomic bombs on have a right to life?
    Stop the games and make a case. All you are doing is "yeah but" right now. War is not a civilized condition, martial conditions are a collapse of civilized processes. In EVERYDAY peacetime you need to actually make a case against the right to life. Again, make a case, an actual case. It's your challenge, I'm telling you to live up to it.
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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    I just think if you're gonna have a separate system for juveniles and adults, treat juveniles as juveniles, and adults as adults. If you're going to make exceptions all the time the distinction is rather useless.

    If you're going to try 15 and 16 year-olds as adults, then 15 year olds should be able to drink alcohol and vote. And join the military. That's all I'm saying.
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    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    No offense Chris but I was less than impressed, the article made lots of claims but it seemed to be a lot of speculation to me. I'm not saying give a child an adult sentence for drugs, burglary, or petty crimes. However when crimes involve high levels of violence such as murder, rape, or aggravated battery the standard changes.
    These, among others, aren't just "claims."

    3. With appropriate treatment most children who commit crimes, even the most violent crimes, can be rehabilitated and become responsible adults. Precisely because their brains are still changing. The prefrontal cortex - which regulates aggression, long range planning, mental flexibility, abstract thinking, and perhaps moral judgment (See Bower Study) has not yet developed in children. The amygdala, the center of impulsive and aggressive behavior is the center piece of the child brain and is left unchecked by the under developed prefrontal cortex.

    4. Psychological research confirms what every parent knows: children, including teenagers, act more irrationally and immaturely than adults. Studies further confirm that stressful situations only heighten the risk that emotion, rather than rational thought, will guide the choices children make. The Supreme Court recognized just this! In Roper v. Simmons, Justice Kennedy wrote: "any parent knows" and "scientific and sociological studies ... tend to confirm "that children possess a "lack of maturity" .. an underdeveloped sense of responsibility .. [and take] impetuous and ill-considered actions and decisions."

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I do know any 15 year who is spanked.
    I've known 15-year-olds who were beaten.

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Should these teens be tried as adults-usa-crime_australia175136-525x215-jpg

    Off to the gallows.

    Why hasn't Obama politicized this yet.

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I've known 15-year-olds who were beaten.
    My parents were still whoopin my ass at fifteen. #AsianParenting
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    These, among others, aren't just "claims."
    Right, but what is getting me here is there are no numbers. All I'm seeing is "research confirms", and I don't know what the data is supposed to mean according to the article. Are we rehabilitating misdemeanor and borderline criminals, and is there promise shown with heinous crimes?
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Stop the games and make a case. All you are doing is "yeah but" right now. War is not a civilized condition, martial conditions are a collapse of civilized processes. In EVERYDAY peacetime you need to actually make a case against the right to life. Again, make a case, an actual case. It's your challenge, I'm telling you to live up to it.
    The Right to Life only applies when we aren't killing people for our own benefit? That's very interesting. This Right to Life thing is tricky? Apparently in all depends on what you see as worthy of life and all those innocent Japanese civilians weren't? Tell me, what did they do to deserve death, being Japanese?

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    My parents were still whoopin my ass at fifteen. #AsianParenting
    Well they weren't supposed to do that according to those here, since you were an adult.

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Right, but what is getting me here is there are no numbers. All I'm seeing is "research confirms", and I don't know what the data is supposed to mean according to the article. Are we rehabilitating misdemeanor and borderline criminals, and is there promise shown with heinous crimes?
    I believe in an earlier link I posted it claimed close to 80% of teens have been successfully rehabilitated. I'll have to go back and check.

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