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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by TiredOfLife View Post
    Nature already did.
    Uh, no. If you think there is no right to life you need to make a specific case, we aren't speaking about the unborn, we are speaking of innocent people already born. So you can either make a proper case or drop the issue.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    fair enough Chris. The problem in this particular circumstance is that these kids killed for the only reason of relieving boredom. If certain factors such as "during commission of another crime" are present it could be reasoned that these teens were caught in a heat of the moment situation and didn't have the emotional maturity to assess the situation properly, problem here is they killed specifically to kill, I just don't know how that can be reconciled.
    Here is a really good article. I hope you'll read it.

    Juvenile Justice

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    DUNCAN, Okla. (AP) — With the simplest of motives — breaking up the boredom of an Oklahoma summer — three teenagers followed an Australian collegiate baseball player who was attending school in the U.S. and killed him with a shot to the back for “the fun of it,” prosecutors said Tuesday as they charged two of the teens with murder.
    As the boys appeared in an Oklahoma courtroom, a 17-year-old blurted out, “I pulled the trigger,” then wept after a judge told him that Tuesday’s hearing wasn’t the time or place to sort out the facts of the case.
    Prosecutor Jason Hicks called the boys “thugs” as he told Stephens County Judge Jerry Herberger how Christopher Lane, 22, of Melbourne, died on a city street.
    Chancey Allen Luna, 16, and James Francis Edwards, Jr., 15, of Duncan were charged with first-degree murder and, under Oklahoma law, will be tried as adults. Michael Dewayne Jones, 17, of Duncan was accused of using a vehicle in the discharge of a weapon and accessory to first-degree murder after the fact. He is considered a youthful offender but will be tried in adult court. 3 Teens Charged After Australian Player Slain « CBS Houston

    At 15 and 16 they know right from wrong.So yes they should be tried and punished as adults.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

    Cicero Marcus Tullius

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Uh, no. If you think there is no right to life you need to make a specific case, we aren't speaking about the unborn, we are speaking of innocent people already born. So you can either make a proper case or drop the issue.
    Where's this Right to Life for civilians during war? Did the people we dropped atomic bombs on have a right to life?

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    At 15 and 16 they know right from wrong.So yes they should be tried and punished as adults.
    Yes, 15-year-old is exactly the same as an adult, only they have to go to school, they have a bedtime, and you can still spank them when they're naughty. Sounds like an adult to me.

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by TiredOfLife View Post
    Yes, 15-year-old is exactly an adult.
    In many parts of the world a 15 year is legally an adult, still does not change the fact a 15 year old knows right from wrong.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    In many parts of the world a 15 year is legally an adult, still does not change the fact a 15 year old knows right from wrong.
    Lots of kids know right from wrong but we still end up spanking them and sending them to their rooms. Now why is that?

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Here is a really good article. I hope you'll read it.

    Juvenile Justice
    No offense Chris but I was less than impressed, the article made lots of claims but it seemed to be a lot of speculation to me. I'm not saying give a child an adult sentence for drugs, burglary, or petty crimes. However when crimes involve high levels of violence such as murder, rape, or aggravated battery the standard changes.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by TiredOfLife View Post
    Where's this Right to Life for civilians during war? Did the people we dropped atomic bombs on have a right to life?
    Pro-life and right-to-life is the opposition to legalized abortion.

    Pro-life | Define Pro-life at Dictionary.com
    opposed to legalized abortion; right-to-life.
    Right-to-life | Define Right-to-life at Dictionary.com
    pertaining to or advocating laws making abortion, especially abortion-on-demand, illegal; antiabortion: right-to-life advocates.



    By your logic if you are against banning closed shops, oppose firearm ownership, and oppose school vouchers then you must not be pro-choice.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

    Cicero Marcus Tullius

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by TiredOfLife View Post
    Lots of kids know right from wrong but we still end up spanking them and sending them to their rooms. Now why is that?
    I do know any 15 year who is spanked.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

    Cicero Marcus Tullius

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