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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Therefore I suppose I CAN call it murder since it is illegal killing in MY state.

    It's not an error. It's illegal in my state of Massachusetts.

    I'd like to see that. Of course it's relevant since it IS illegal in many states in the US.
    No, you couldn't. Not in the context of what started this whole thing.

    If capital punishment is illegal in your state, then the killling of someone by the state for his crimes would not be "state sponsored" because the state doesn't allow it. It would be murder, on the part of the individual doing the action, specifically because it's NOT state sponsored by virtue of it being illegal.

    Your claim that started this entire chain of conversation was:

    When someone is sentenced to the death penalty, they are a victim of state-sponsored murder.
    Someone can not be sentenced to "the death penalty" in a state that it's not legal to be sentenced to the death penalty.

    If the state is sentencing the person to the death penalty, if the killing is "state sponsored", then it's LEGAL and thus not murder. If the state doesn't sentence people to death, if the state doesn't sponsor the killing, then you can't have an instance of someone being "sentenced to the death penalty" and be a victim to "state sponsored" killing.

    That was my whole point. Based on the words YOU ACTUALLY SAID....that they were SENTENCED and it was STATE SPONSORED...the term "murder" is incorrect. It's the same general gripe I have when people continually claim abortion doctors and patients are "murderers".

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by lolabird View Post
    More like logical fallacy on your part. Nothing really to handle as it's like water off a duck's back.
    Point out the logical fallacy. I'll be waiting.

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    No, you couldn't. Not in the context of what started this whole thing.

    If capital punishment is illegal in your state, then the killling of someone by the state for his crimes would not be "state sponsored" because the state doesn't allow it. It would be murder, on the part of the individual doing the action, specifically because it's NOT state sponsored by virtue of it being illegal.
    If the state killed a criminal using capital punishment in my state it would be state-sponsored murder BECAUSE it's illegal.

    Your claim that started this entire chain of conversation was:
    That's right.


    Someone can not be sentenced to "the death penalty" in a state that it's not legal to be sentenced to the death penalty.

    If the state is sentencing the person to the death penalty, if the killing is "state sponsored", then it's LEGAL and thus not murder. If the state doesn't sentence people to death, if the state doesn't sponsor the killing, then you can't have an instance of someone being "sentenced to the death penalty" and be a victim to "state sponsored" killing.
    Okay, whatever, you call it what you want; I'll call it as I see it. The state murdering it's citizens. It's nothing more than that to ME. Okay? So that's my opinion. You can argue the semantics of it all day. Like I said, in my eyes it should not be legal, so that is what I see it as.

    That was my whole point. Based on the words YOU ACTUALLY SAID....that they were SENTENCED and it was STATE SPONSORED...the term "murder" is incorrect. It's the same general gripe I have when people continually claim abortion doctors and patients are "murderers".
    Alright, but what is the point of this whole discussion? It's really quite pointless because I'm going to keep saying it. If you want to jump all over me every time I say, be my guest.

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Right here, you challenged me first. Sorry if you're just not very good at debating the issues and sticking to facts.
    You are a compendium of useless information. What's to debate?

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by lolabird View Post
    You are a compendium of useless information. What's to debate?
    So you can't back up your claims. I'm not surprised. You really suck at debating.

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    So you can't back up your claims. I'm not surprised. You really suck at debating.
    My claims are you are a ridiculous person, and I don't need to prove it. You're doing an excellent job.

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by lolabird View Post
    My claims are you are a ridiculous person, and I don't need to prove it. You're doing an excellent job.
    Wow! That could be considered a personal attack I think. Perhaps I should report you?

    And maybe you need the definition to "debate" as well. I don't think you really know what that means either.

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Wow! That could be considered a personal attack I think. Perhaps I should report you?

    And maybe you need the definition to "debate" as well. I don't think you really know what that means either.
    Give yourself a big "O" and report me. Isn't that you game?

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by lolabird View Post
    Give yourself a big "O" and report me. Isn't that you game?
    Isn't what my game?

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Isn't what my game?
    Don't play stupid at this point.

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