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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by lolabird View Post
    Your feeble attempt to assess my feelings is borderline narcissistic on your part.
    Is there a specific quota of facts that you require?
    Lol! Well, referring to the teens as "monsters" kind of gives it away.


    Three teens, Chancey Allen Luna, James Francis Edwards, and Michael DeWayne Jones, were following Chris Lane, an Australian baseball player while he jogged alongside a road when Edwards aimed a gun at Lane and shot him IN THE BACK.

    Surveillance video from SEVERAL BUSINESSES captured images of the suspects vehicle, and after they were arrested, Edwards CONFESSED that his motive was "Were going to kill somebody." They defended themselves from being bored.
    Edwards had prior run-ins with the law, and he also tweeted "With my n*****s when it's time to start taken life's and 90% of white people are nasty #Hate them."
    And? What is your point?

    What would you call someone who shoots an innocent stranger IN THE BACK for no apparent reason.
    If they are innocent and nave, why were they running?
    Did I ever say they were innocent? Please show where exactly I stated that. I said they haven't been tried and convicted by a court of law. You can't argue with that because it's true.

    Please tell me what the defense has said about the boys and the case, tell me about their lives, their upbringing, how they did in school, what are their prior crimes if any. Since you seem to know so much, this shouldn't be a problem for you.

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Plans to and what it currently is are two different things. People have “plans” to do many things that never actually come to fruition.



    Human Rights are a subjective concept and irrelevant in this fashion to the notion of what is or isn’t murder…so again, no reason to include it other than an appeal to emotion.
    The rest of the international community would disagree with you. MOST countries have abolished the death penalty. There is obvious consensus among most of the world that the death penalty is wrong and against human rights. Just because we want to stick to our own definitions doesn't make us right.

    Pretty much, yes. You’ll note my first response to you did nothing but comment about your attempt to label it as murder. Nothing else. Everything subsequent has been you assuming that meant I was condoning the notion of the death penalty in general o on these kids or trying to say that “yes it is murder”.
    To me, it state-sponsored murder. You can keep arguing with me about ALL DAY, and you are NOT going to change my mind about that. The United States wants to look at it as a "legal" killing. That's the only difference. Once we outlaw it and in states in which it is outlawed, it would most certainly constitute murder.

    Again, this is just you going “I want to use words for their emotional triggers rather than because they’re actually accurate and I’m pissy that someone called me on it”.
    Absolutely not. I am not viewing it as an emotional trigger at all. In my view, that is exactly what it is. I call them as I see them.

    Okay, that’s how you feel. Good for you. Has zero to do with any point I made. As is the entire rest of this paragraph.

    No, it’s not. Bringing up how “bad” the death penalty is not an “appeal to logic” to counter my argument that it’s not “murder” because how “Bad” something is is ENTIRELY IRRELEVANT to whether or not it’s murder. So the ONLY appeal it’s doing is to emotion…in trying to make me feel guilty or bad for saying it’s not murder because it’s so horrible and wrong.

    That’s not logic…unless again we’re basically saying the definition of words don’t matter and logic suddenly means something entirely different.



    And yet you typed it directly in relation and in attempt to counter MY point and MY argument.

    What others have done or said is irrelevant to my argument. If others want people put in “gen pop and raped” that affects my statement that Capital Punishment, in a broad sense or in the US sense, is not murder in zero ways.



    Saying your arguments are being based off you being emotional is not an example of me not reading what you SAY…it’s an example of me taking what you say and suggesting WHY I think you’re saying it.

    This is difference to where I SPECIFICALLY said that I would NOT do something and you responded in a way that would indicate that I stated I WOULD do something.

    I specifically stated I would not complain about Iran or any other country “MURDERING” their citizens under their legal system. You then made a post stating that I “see other countries as bad for murdering their citizens”. Something I SPECIFICALLY said the opposite of.

    What you referenced is an example of me stating my opinion about the motives behind your statements as a whole. What I referenced is an example of you claiming I said something 180 degrees different than what I actually said.



    Let me perhaps break this down a bit simpler since you’re seemingly confused…

    I was not suggesting your stance that THESE PARTICULAR INDIVIDUALS should not get the death penalty is an emotional based argument.

    I was not suggesting your stance that the death penalty is bad in some fashion is an emotional based argument.

    I was suggesting that your continued attempt to proclaim it as “MURDER”, and to claim I was wrong for saying it wasn’t, was an emotional based argument.



    Whether or not I’m “okay” with them is IRRELEVANT to my point. You continue to attempt to throw a strawman up there to attempt to get me to veer off the point because you can’t actually counter it…sorry, not playing that game.



    And you’re absolutely free to have that opinion. That opinion doesn’t make capital punishment murder.



    No, it’s not. By the very definition of the word in the context you’re speaking, it unequivocally is not.
    Since all of the rest of this post seems to be arguing the definition of murder, I refer you to the above comments.

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    The rest of the international community would disagree with you. MOST countries have abolished the death penalty. There is obvious consensus among most of the world that the death penalty is wrong and against human rights. Just because we want to stick to our own definitions doesn't make us right.
    I'm not sticking to "our own definition", I'm sticking to the standard definition for the word "murder". The state killing someone through capital punishment in a country where it's illegal WOULD be murder. The state killing someone through capital punishment in a country where it's legal would not. One countries laws don't relate to another countries laws in regards to how you'd term it for THAT particular country, and the fact it's not universally against the law means broadly claiming it as "murder" in all instances is also incorrect.

    To me, it state-sponsored murder. You can keep arguing with me about ALL DAY, and you are NOT going to change my mind about that.
    That's fine. If you'd like to continue to use a word erroniously and ignore reality that's your choice. Don't expect me not to state you're wrong when I see you do it though. You choosing to be wrong doesn't mean everyone has to just agree with you or not highlight your error.

    The United States wants to look at it as a "legal" killing. That's the only difference. Once we outlaw it and in states in which it is outlawed, it would most certainly constitute murder.
    It would THEN. And if rainbows shot out my ass and I turned into a horse I'd be a my little pony. Neither are relevant to the present day.

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Lol! Well, referring to the teens as "monsters" kind of gives it away.




    And? What is your point?



    Did I ever say they were innocent? Please show where exactly I stated that. I said they haven't been tried and convicted by a court of law. You can't argue with that because it's true.

    Please tell me what the defense has said about the boys and the case, tell me about their lives, their upbringing, how they did in school, what are their prior crimes if any. Since you seem to know so much, this shouldn't be a problem for you.
    Please stop making everything about you.
    You asked for facts and they were given.
    I, along with millions of others, don't give a mink's ass about upbringing of the teens. Shooting an innocent stranger in the back for no apparent reason cannot be justified by you or anyone else and calling them monsters is mild in comparison to what they did.
    Stop making a fool of yourself!

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by lolabird View Post
    Please stop making everything about you.
    You asked for facts and they were given.
    What's wrong with you? I didn't say anything about me.

    I, along with millions of others, don't give a mink's ass about upbringing of the teens. Shooting an innocent stranger in the back for no apparent reason cannot be justified by you or anyone else and calling them monsters is mild in comparison to what they did.
    Stop making a fool of yourself!
    Look lady, obviously you have no idea what a fact is. Here is the definition of fact for you.

    fact
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    synonyms: reality, actuality, certainty; More

    Now stop making a fool out of yourself.

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I'm not sticking to "our own definition", I'm sticking to the standard definition for the word "murder". The state killing someone through capital punishment in a country where it's illegal WOULD be murder. The state killing someone through capital punishment in a country where it's legal would not. One countries laws don't relate to another countries laws in regards to how you'd term it for THAT particular country, and the fact it's not universally against the law means broadly claiming it as "murder" in all instances is also incorrect.
    In most places in the world, capital punishment is murder. That is the way the CIVILIZED world is going. There are states in this country, including my own, where capital punishment IS illegal. Therefore I suppose I CAN call it murder since it is illegal killing in MY state.

    That's fine. If you'd like to continue to use a word erroniously and ignore reality that's your choice. Don't expect me not to state you're wrong when I see you do it though. You choosing to be wrong doesn't mean everyone has to just agree with you or not highlight your error.
    It's not an error. It's illegal in my state of Massachusetts.

    It would THEN. And if rainbows shot out my ass and I turned into a horse I'd be a my little pony. Neither are relevant to the present day.
    I'd like to see that. Of course it's relevant since it IS illegal in many states in the US.

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    What's wrong with you? I didn't say anything about me.



    Look lady, obviously you have no idea what a fact is. Here is the definition of fact for you.

    fact
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    Now stop making a fool out of yourself.
    OMG! Please go away

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by lolabird View Post
    OMG! Please go away
    Lol! Nope. I'm going to keep posting here. If you can't handle it, YOU go away.

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by lolabird View Post
    Let's hear you grovel for Steven Hayes and Joshua Komisarjevsky, who not only robbed the Petit family home, but raped the mother, the 17 year-old and 11 year-old daughter before typing them to their beds and dousing them with gasoline and setting fire to them.
    They received the death penalty, but the Petit father, who was nearly beaten to death and had the witness his daughters being raped, will have to live with the nightmare for the rest of his life.
    Do you think the monsters received a fair trial?
    Right here, you challenged me first. Sorry if you're just not very good at debating the issues and sticking to facts.

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Lol! Nope. I'm going to keep posting here. If you can't handle it, YOU go away.
    More like logical fallacy on your part. Nothing really to handle as it's like water off a duck's back.

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