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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Most of you already have your minds made up, that's why you won't listen to reason.
    whether these particular guys are innocent or guilty is still to be determined. that doesn't change my opinion that a bunch of teenagers who could commit this type of crime are not children and should be charged as adults
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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I disagree, when you lock someone up and leave a person essentially helpless and then the state gives them a lethal injection, that is effing murder. Play semantics all you want.
    If by "semantics" you mean "using actual definitions of words rather than make believe" then sure, I'll use semantics.

    Granted, since you seem to have an imagineary definition for what "murder" is perhaps you have an imaginary definition for what "semantics" means...so it's hard to really understand what you're saying since I don't have a "ChrisL" dictionary full of your made up words and meanings.

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    If by "semantics" you mean "using actual definitions of words rather than make believe" then sure, I'll use semantics.

    Granted, since you seem to have an imagineary definition for what "murder" is perhaps you have an imaginary definition for what "semantics" means...so it's hard to really understand what you're saying since I don't have a "ChrisL" dictionary full of your made up words and meanings.
    Killing someone is murder. Even if they murdered someone in the past. The state is still killing someone. What the hell would you call it? An execution to be politically correct. It's murder. According to MOST of the civilized world, capital punishment is cruel and unusual punishment. One-hundred and forty countries have ABOLISHED the death penalty. Take a look at who WE are on par with in our views of the DP.

    Afghanistan
    Antigua and Barbuda
    Bahamas
    Bahrain
    Bangladesh
    Barbados
    Belarus
    Belize
    Botswana
    Chad
    China (People's Republic)
    Comoros
    Congo (Democratic Republic)
    Cuba
    Dominica
    Egypt
    Equatorial Guinea
    Ethiopia
    Guatemala
    Guinea
    Guyana
    India
    Indonesia
    Iran
    Iraq
    Jamaica
    Japan
    Jordan
    Kuwait
    Lebanon
    Lesotho
    Libya
    Malaysia
    Mongolia
    Nigeria
    North Korea
    Oman
    Pakistan
    Palestinian Authority
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    St. Lucia
    St. Vincent and the Grenadines
    Saudi Arabia
    Singapore
    Somalia
    South Sudan
    Sudan
    Syria
    Taiwan
    Thailand
    Trinidad and Tobago
    Uganda
    United Arab Emirates
    United States
    Vietnam
    Yemen
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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Countries that have abolished the death penalty.

    Albania (2000)
    Andorra (1990)
    Angola (1992)
    Argentina (2008)
    Armenia (2003)
    Australia (1984)
    Austria (1950)
    Azerbaijan (1998)
    Belgium (1996)
    Bhutan (2004)
    Bosnia-Herzegovina (1997)
    Bulgaria (1998)
    Burundi (2009 )
    Cambodia (1989)
    Canada (1976)
    Cape Verde (1981)
    Colombia (1910)
    Cook Islands (2007)
    Costa Rica (1877)
    Côte d'Ivoire (2000)
    Croatia (1990)
    Cyprus (1983)
    Czech Republic (1990)
    Denmark (1933)
    Djibouti (1995)
    Dominican Republic (1966)
    Ecuador (1906)
    Estonia (1998)
    Finland (1949)
    France (1981)
    Gabon (2010)
    Georgia (1997)
    Germany (1949)
    Greece (1993)
    Guinea-Bissau (1993)
    Haiti (1987)
    Honduras (1956)
    Hungary (1990)
    Iceland (1928)
    Ireland (1990)
    Italy (1947)
    Kyrgyzstan (2007)
    Kiribati (1979)
    Latvia (2012)
    Liechtenstein (1987)
    Lithuania (1998)
    Luxembourg (1979)
    Macedonia (1991)
    Malta (1971)
    Marshall Islands (1986)
    Mauritius (1995)
    Mexico (2005)
    Micronesia (1986)
    Moldova (1995)
    Monaco (1962)
    Montenegro (2002)
    Mozambique (1990)
    Namibia (1990)
    Nepal (1990)
    Netherlands (1870)
    New Zealand (1961)
    Nicaragua (1979)
    Niue (n.a.)
    Norway (1905)
    Palau (n.a.)
    Panama (1903)
    Paraguay (1992)
    Philippines (2006)
    Poland (1997)
    Portugal (1867)
    Romania (1989)
    Rwanda (2007)
    Samoa (2004)
    San Marino (1848)
    São Tomé and Príncipe (1990)
    Senegal (2004)
    Serbia (2002)
    Seychelles (1993)
    Slovakia (1990)
    Slovenia (1989)
    Solomon Islands (1966)
    South Africa (1995)
    Spain (1978)
    Sweden (1921)
    Switzerland (1942)
    Timor-Leste (1999)
    Togo (2009)
    Turkey (2002)
    Turkmenistan (1999)
    Tuvalu (1978)
    Ukraine (1999)
    United Kingdom (1973)
    Uruguay (1907)
    Uzbekistan (2008)
    Vanuatu (1980)
    Vatican City (1969)
    Venezuela (1863)


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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    whether these particular guys are innocent or guilty is still to be determined. that doesn't change my opinion that a bunch of teenagers who could commit this type of crime are not children and should be charged as adults
    That's for the judge to decide AFTER hearing all the relevant information.

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    That's for the judge to decide AFTER hearing all the relevant information.
    whatever. they have been charged as adults and I agree with that decision. you don't.
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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Killing someone is murder.
    No, it's not. Killing someone illegally is murder.

    A soldier engaging in a legal war that kills someone isn't murder.

    A person killing an attacker in self defense isn't murder.

    A person pulling the plug on an illegally applied respirator causing the unhealthy individual to die isn't murder.

    A doctor aborting a fetus in the 2nd trimester in the U.S. isn't murder

    A person drinking and driving and getting into a wreck that results in someones death may very well not be murder.

    Killing != Murder

    Sorry, words have meanings. That's not "semantics", that's basic facts. Capital Punishment being illegal in Venezuela or Nepal doesn't mean that capital punishment, which is legal in this country, is "murder" universally and especially in this country. But nice attempt to "appeal to emotion", wonderful use of a sad fallacy filled tactic.

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    That's the claims from the prosecution. I don't think you know enough about these boys or this case to make any kind of determinations or judgments. If you respected our judicial system at all, you would realize how the position you're taking is so wrong. You have these kids tried and convicted. How sad. I'm hopeful that this is just a knee jerk emotional reaction and that cooler heads will prevail eventually.
    I thought it was understood that any consequences they face or I want them to face are... follow it:

    IF . THEY . ARE . FOUND . GUILTY

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    I thought it was understood that any consequences they face or I want them to face are... follow it:

    IF . THEY . ARE . FOUND . GUILTY

    Cool?
    You asked what else is there to know. The defense side of the story. DO. YOU. UNDERSTAND?

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    No, it's not. Killing someone illegally is murder.

    A soldier engaging in a legal war that kills someone isn't murder.

    A person killing an attacker in self defense isn't murder.

    A person pulling the plug on an illegally applied respirator causing the unhealthy individual to die isn't murder.

    A doctor aborting a fetus in the 2nd trimester in the U.S. isn't murder

    A person drinking and driving and getting into a wreck that results in someones death may very well not be murder.

    Killing != Murder

    Sorry, words have meanings. That's not "semantics", that's basic facts. Capital Punishment being illegal in Venezuela or Nepal doesn't mean that capital punishment, which is legal in this country, is "murder" universally and especially in this country. But nice attempt to "appeal to emotion", wonderful use of a sad fallacy filled tactic.
    According to international law, it's illegal. It's illegal in 140 countries. We are on par with the most primitive countries. I certainly hope I don't read any complaints from you next time there's a stoning in Iran. The method might be different, but the results are the same.

    And yes, you are playing semantics and taking the government's side against it's people. Shameful IMO.

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