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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow Serious View Post
    DA's in Oklahoma are elected by their county and thus it is a political issue. If DA's were appointed instead then they would not have to worry about re-election and as long as the governor was of the same party that appointed him would probably do so again.
    Well, that could help, but certainly wouldn't eliminate all the problems.

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow Serious View Post
    They were conspirators in a murder scheme (there were a list of 4 victims to be killed also) and in Oklahoma when a murder or wrongful death is caused by a member of a team engaging in criminal activity then the other team members also can be charged for that murder or wrongful death if they were at the location and time that said event occurred.

    Don't you think you should wait until the trial/pre-trial discovery information? We have only heard from the prosecution. You are basing all of your opinions on statements made by the prosecution. Can you not see how you are wrong here?



    Because it is a heinous crime (when they said they done it for fun.)
    Again, this is according to the prosecutor. We don't really know why. We haven't heard from the defense.

    Where? Was it in Oklahoma? Did those adolescents who committed those heinous crimes and charged as juveniles commit them in a small small city (Duncan pop 23,431) ducan ok - Yahoo! Search Results
    All over the country. Are you saying you think all juveniles are processed as adults? They most certainly are not. What the hell does the size of the city have to do with anything at all?

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by Oftencold View Post
    Not any more, they ain't.
    15 is still 15.

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Well, that could help, but certainly wouldn't eliminate all the problems.
    Term limits for that position would help even more. Also attorneys, that is members of the Bar, should not be allowed to run for any elective office and that would include those who resign or disbarred. Once a member of the bar they belong to the Judaical branch and should not be a member of the Legislative Branch or Executive Branch. This should shield to some extent the members of the Judicial Branch from political influence.
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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Don't you think you should wait until the trial/pre-trial discovery information? We have only heard from the prosecution. You are basing all of your opinions on statements made by the prosecution. Can you not see how you are wrong here?
    When the defense comes out with their points I'll be able to make a correction then.





    Again, this is according to the prosecutor. We don't really know why. We haven't heard from the defense.
    I can change my opinion then.


    All over the country. Are you saying you think all juveniles are processed as adults? They most certainly are not. What the hell does the size of the city have to do with anything at all?
    A large city is more likely to have such crimes and are used to them and thus is viewed as normal. Small cities like Duncan are not and thus is more shocking. For example, Oklahoma City has crimes like this at least once a year. Duncan has not has such in decades.
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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow Serious View Post
    When the defense comes out with their points I'll be able to make a correction then.

    It doesn't really matter what you think or say in the bigger picture here, however it is wrong to judge before you have all of the information, as I'm sure you know. You are making a conscious decision to pass judgment in this particular case.




    I can change my opinion then.
    That's irrelevant. These boys are being convicted by the public before they've even been tried. That is the OPPOSITE of how our system is supposed to work. Of course the public is free to "think" whatever it wants, but it just displays an ignorance for how our judicial system operates.



    A large city is more likely to have such crimes and are used to them and thus is viewed as normal. Small cities like Duncan are not and thus is more shocking. For example, Oklahoma City has crimes like this at least once a year. Duncan has not has such in decades.
    That's a lame excuse.

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Don't you think you should wait until the trial/pre-trial discovery information? We have only heard from the prosecution. You are basing all of your opinions on statements made by the prosecution. Can you not see how you are wrong here?
    can't you see that your constant harping on everything being "according to the prosecution" is a lame argument? do you really believe the prosecution would be stupid enough to release false information? that would be counter productive and set them up for mistrial and lawsuits. you can bet your ass that if the prosecution in publically releasing information, they have verified its accuracy.
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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    can't you see that your constant harping on everything being "according to the prosecution" is a lame argument? do you really believe the prosecution would be stupid enough to release false information? that would be counter productive and set them up for mistrial and lawsuits. you can bet your ass that if the prosecution in publically releasing information, they have verified its accuracy.
    Not at all. It's 100% the truth. The information you are going by is based on statements released by the prosecution. Says so right in the article. Prosecutors leak information to the press all the time. Yes, sometimes false information too. Look at the Duke Lacrosse case.

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Most of you already have your minds made up, that's why you won't listen to reason.

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Not at all. It's 100% the truth. The information you are going by is based on statements released by the prosecution. Says so right in the article. Prosecutors leak information to the press all the time. Yes, sometimes false information too. Look at the Duke Lacrosse case.
    funny how it's been over a week and we haven't heard anything from the defense that counters anything "the prosecution" has reported. you would think that if the prosecution was lying....the defense or the perp's families would have made some kind of statement
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