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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    I understand these cases occur. I was expressing a personal opinion. IMV, the courts should expedite these cases not have them standing in line with Joe's beef with his neighbor appeal to higher courts. What is a reasonable appeal time frame?
    This goes to show that the Federal Government should have a separate Court for Criminal Appeals and not thru the only Court that we have now.
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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by TiredOfLife View Post
    We call them kids for a reason. When do you have an adult male, at 28 years and nine months. These may be killer kids, but they are still kids, obviously.
    I call them "murderers" actually.
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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    Hate crime now?
    Yeah, its a hate crime now if there is Justice.
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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by Oftencold View Post
    I call them "murderers" actually.
    Call them whatever you like but it doesn't change the fact that they are kids.

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    How do you think that would make a difference?
    DA's in Oklahoma are elected by their county and thus it is a political issue. If DA's were appointed instead then they would not have to worry about re-election and as long as the governor was of the same party that appointed him would probably do so again.
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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by TiredOfLife View Post
    Call them whatever you like but it doesn't change the fact that they are kids.
    Thank you. That is, or should be, the focal point of this discussion. They are what they are, irrespective of what they have done - and the ostensible question put is "Should teens be tried as adults?" not "Do their deeds confer maturity upon children?"
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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Why can't they be charged as juveniles as accessories to the murder?
    They were conspirators in a murder scheme (there were a list of 4 victims to be killed also) and in Oklahoma when a murder or wrongful death is caused by a member of a team engaging in criminal activity then the other team members also can be charged for that murder or wrongful death if they were at the location and time that said event occurred.



    This has been done before. Why are they making such a big deal out of this PARTICULAR case? It's definitely a mystery.

    Because it is a heinous crime (when they said they done it for fun.)
    There have been PLENTY of juvenile murderers or accessories to murders that were much more heinous than this, and they were charged as juveniles.
    Where? Was it in Oklahoma? Did those adolescents who committed those heinous crimes and charged as juveniles commit them in a small small city (Duncan pop 23,431) ducan ok - Yahoo! Search Results
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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    Hmm, I just reviewed some of the recent news articles about the case and I find something strange in the application of charges.

    The three teens are Jones, a 17 yo white kid who was driving the car; Luna, a 16 yo black kid who was sitting in the backseat and who shot the victim; Edwards, a 15 yo black kid who was riding in the passenger seat.

    Only Luna and Edwards were charged with First Degree Murder.
    Jones was charged with driving a vehicle used in discharge of a weapon and accessory after the fact.

    Why wasn't Jones charged with First Degree Murder? He did more than the 15 yo Edwards, who was apparently a passenger egging the issue on.

    From what little we know all three were culpable of conspiracy to commit murder, all three were in the car together when Luna shot the victim, so why is the oldest (who also happens to be white) not being charged with First Degree Murder? Did I miss something?
    They should all be charged with Murder One.
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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by TiredOfLife View Post
    Knowing and doing are not the same things. We don't treat teenagers like adults, because they aren't.
    You are correct. Knowing it is wrong is not a chargeable offense. Doing the dead on the other hand is a chargeable offense. And that is why they are different things.
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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by TiredOfLife View Post
    Call them whatever you like but it doesn't change the fact that they are kids.
    Not any more, they ain't.
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