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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    In this case, yes. Based off of what I know. It may turn out that some evidence pops up that changes my mind, but I doubt that will happen. As an adult and facing the DP as well.
    And what do you know about the case besides what the prosecutors have said? Please share.


    Isn't this thread about the Aussie guy and the teen that shot him? About the two others being tried as well? Maybe I am debating the wrong thing...
    That's what I've been discussing.

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    And what do you know about the case besides what the prosecutors have said? Please share.
    That the kid wanted to kill a person to see what it was like. They drove around, picked a target, drove up behind him and shot him in the back and then drove off in an attempt to get away.

    "They saw Christopher go by, and one of them said: 'There's our target,'" Ford said. "The boy who has talked to us said: 'We were bored and didn't have anything to do, so we decided to kill somebody.'

    "They followed him in the car to that area, shot him in the back and drove off," Ford said.


    What else is there to know?
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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    That the kid wanted to kill a person to see what it was like. They drove around, picked a target, drove up behind him and shot him in the back and then drove off in an attempt to get away.

    "They saw Christopher go by, and one of them said: 'There's our target,'" Ford said. "The boy who has talked to us said: 'We were bored and didn't have anything to do, so we decided to kill somebody.'

    "They followed him in the car to that area, shot him in the back and drove off," Ford said.


    What else is there to know?
    That's the claims from the prosecution. I don't think you know enough about these boys or this case to make any kind of determinations or judgments. If you respected our judicial system at all, you would realize how the position you're taking is so wrong. You have these kids tried and convicted. How sad. I'm hopeful that this is just a knee jerk emotional reaction and that cooler heads will prevail eventually.

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by Leo View Post

    There are good and justifiable reasons why there are juvenile courts and a juvenile justice system in every developed society on earth. We who are adults realise that while children can often be deliberately delinquent, they have not yet developed the capacity for fully understanding the effects of their actions - even murder. So we treat them as not fully developed beings and judge them by different standards, even when they commit the most horrible crimes. This is the way the civilised world operates, and it has taken us milennia to arrive at this stage of development.
    The reason for our "stage of development" is due to the longer life span that we now have and this allowed us to increase the age of majority.

    A further peril of the simplistic (and ungrammatical) 'do the crime, do the time' ethos is where one draws the line. Is killing your father because he has incessantly bashed you all your life, as bad as killing your mother because she served you rhubarb pudding yet again, and she knew you hate the stuff? And what may be considered perfectly acceptable treatment of children in one subset of society, may be totally unacceptable in an other - so how do we decide when a crime merits the juvenile being judged as an adult?
    Let me see. I had a father bullied and belittled me and I did contemplate murder and if I had know the greater likely hood of a juvinal sentence instead of hard time I might have tried to do it. Killing my mother was unthinkable. I hope this answers your question.

    So we opt for the safer course of an arbitrary age, whereafter one is legally an adult, and must be treated and judged as such. There should never, ever, be any question of a juvenile being judged by adult legal standards, whatever the circumstances.
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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    I'm claiming that committed terrorists blowing up 191 innocent civilians are probably less likely to be rehabilitated than three adolescents whose ennui and stupidity led to the death of a single innocent man. I'm guessing you disagree.
    They had a list of 4 people they wanted to kill. The one that they did kill was "just for fun." So in potential at least 5 could have been killed and they would have killed more people latter on if they were not stopped.
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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    There definitely must be evidence to back a confession because there are a lot of nuts out there who have confessed to crimes they didn't actually commit, and it's important to get the "right" guy and not just another notch in a prosecutor's belt.
    One of the reasons I'm against the DA being an elective post and should be an appointed post.
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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow Serious View Post
    One of the reasons I'm against the DA being an elective post and should be an appointed post.
    How do you think that would make a difference?

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    This is some confusing territory we're crossing into now!
    I am no expert but it seems to me that a mass murderer kills a lot of people in one place maybe at the same time.

    A spree killer would kill people along the way as they move along.

    Maybe there isn't much distinction between the two.

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    I am no expert but it seems to me that a mass murderer kills a lot of people in one place maybe at the same time.

    A spree killer would kill people along the way as they move along.

    Maybe there isn't much distinction between the two.
    I can see why they aren't classified as serial killers, but I can't really tell much difference between a spree killer and a mass murderer, so I have no idea. Perhaps you're right.

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    What about life without parole for kids/teens?
    I think a study should be done on inmates that were 15 - 17 when they commited murders and have been inside for 25 years to see what kind of person they are after 25 years inside.

    If there is a significant amount of them would still be a danger to society, then I would be more OK with giving a 15 - 17 year old life without parole.

    What I think you will find is that the person has learned many life lessons and they are not a danger to society or are hardened to the point of being a danger.

    The more hardened criminals are the ones that have been in and out and have learned to wrok the system from both sides.

    It would be an interesting read.

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