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Bullying...

How are we doing at addressing bullying?

  • We're not doing enough.

    Votes: 26 43.3%
  • We're right on track and taking appropriate measures.

    Votes: 7 11.7%
  • We're blowing it way out of proportion.

    Votes: 20 33.3%
  • Other.

    Votes: 7 11.7%

  • Total voters
    60
Not really. Getting his ass kicked will do the job. You meet force with greater force- to do otherwise is to concede to the bully's superiority.
So when your 12 year old is bullied by bigger stronger 14 year olds. What is he supposed to do?
Most schools dont allow for "fighting back", cant take a weapon without getting in trouble, teachers dont care, school admins dont care, other kids parents dont care.
 
So when your 12 year old is bullied by bigger stronger 14 year olds. What is he supposed to do?
Most schools dont allow for "fighting back", cant take a weapon without getting in trouble, teachers dont care, school admins dont care, other kids parents dont care.

The bolded was my initial point. We teach children to be passive nowadays, and we don't allow them to use force against aggression, which is the natural human impulse. My sons were in school back when public schools first started implementing this policy. I told both of my sons to never initiate aggression against someone else, but to always meet it with equal force, even if it meant them getting suspended from school. When we fail to meet aggression head-on, aggressors see it as weakness, and their behaviors increase in intensity.
 
The bolded was my initial point. We teach children to be passive nowadays, and we don't allow them to use force against aggression, which is the natural human impulse. My sons were in school back when public schools first started implementing this policy. I told both of my sons to never initiate aggression against someone else, but to always meet it with equal force, even if it meant them getting suspended from school. When we fail to meet aggression head-on, aggressors see it as weakness, and their behaviors increase in intensity.
I was in school, the 70s, when that was implemented at our schools.
There were bullies, and there were fights. Most of us took the fights out behind auto mechanics. I even stood in for a couple kids that were being bullied.
Funny how people all of a sudden dont want to fight one of the football players, but are all kinds of willing to push a kid around that is not a fighter.
 
Bullying... the new trendy social issue. How are we doing at addressing it?

I don't think any reasonable person would deny that bullying exists, but... are we properly addressing the issue or are we blowing it out of proportion?

Bullying always has, and always will exist. I think kids today just aren't as tough as we were growing up. And parents don't actually teach their kids how to behave, and don't spank them. Kids need discipline from their parents, and parents need to step up and teach their brats a lesson.
 
Funny how people all of a sudden dont want to fight one of the football players, but are all kinds of willing to push a kid around that is not a fighter.

That is because bullies are, in reality, nothing more than cowards. The problem is, we as a society are conceding to them, which gives them the false idea that they are in some sort of control.
 
I dont remember the exact details, it was a few years back. My oldest son is not quite 6 ft but in football shape all the time. A kid in the niehgborhood has serious problems and one of the really big kids (senior flunked twice or something) in school picked on him all the time. My son told him to quit a couple of times and he just kept it up. Well the big kid picked on the other kid physically, hit him or pushed him down or something, it seems like it was while they were walking to the bus or somewhere with bizillions of witness to both events, anyway my son unloaded on the big kid. I guess he really worked him over as the teachers slowly intervened. I dont remember exactly what the school did to my son but it amounted to harsh language and the big kid got booted. The principal called me and told me about it, he did everything but say how great it was my son worked the kid over. But that cant always happen. It po'd me the teachers were aware enough of the situation to root for my son in a fight, yet appeantly too inpotent to do anything about it themselves. Why is that really?
So when your 12 year old is bullied by bigger stronger 14 year olds. What is he supposed to do?
Most schools dont allow for "fighting back", cant take a weapon without getting in trouble, teachers dont care, school admins dont care, other kids parents dont care.
 
I dont remember the exact details, it was a few years back. My oldest son is not quite 6 ft but in football shape all the time. A kid in the niehgborhood has serious problems and one of the really big kids (senior flunked twice or something) in school picked on him all the time. My son told him to quit a couple of times and he just kept it up. Well the big kid picked on the other kid physically, hit him or pushed him down or something, it seems like it was while they were walking to the bus or somewhere with bizillions of witness to both events, anyway my son unloaded on the big kid. I guess he really worked him over as the teachers slowly intervened. I dont remember exactly what the school did to my son but it amounted to harsh language and the big kid got booted. The principal called me and told me about it, he did everything but say how great it was my son worked the kid over. But that cant always happen. It po'd me the teachers were aware enough of the situation to root for my son in a fight, yet appeantly too inpotent to do anything about it themselves. Why is that really?
Teachers dont get paid enough to bother. If they do anything they get a bad rep around school and that kids friends start dropping their classes and transfering to other teachers.
Tons of reasons, but they all revolve around they just dont give a damn.
 
Bullying... the new trendy social issue. How are we doing at addressing it?

I don't think any reasonable person would deny that bullying exists, but... are we properly addressing the issue or are we blowing it out of proportion?
I voted other because identifying what bullying is can be difficult these days. Today with Political Correctness on steroids, bullying no longer means physical attacks but now have added (and often unconstitutional) component of prohibiting “mean or hateful or offensive” speech. If a child was punished every time they said something hurtful, the biggest class would be in the principal’s office.
 
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Teachers dont get paid enough to bother. If they do anything they get a bad rep around school and that kids friends start dropping their classes and transfering to other teachers.
Tons of reasons, but they all revolve around they just dont give a damn.

Please don't say teachers don't get paid enough. Average Chicago Public School teachers earn more than $71,000 a year . . . and I personally believe that figure represents manipulated numbers. (I say that because they have a searchable database.) http://www.familytaxpayers.org/ftf/ftf_salaries.php
 
Teachers dont get paid enough to bother. If they do anything they get a bad rep around school and that kids friends start dropping their classes and transfering to other teachers.
Tons of reasons, but they all revolve around they just dont give a damn.

They shouldn't have to get paid more, in order to bother. This comes down to an issue of taking a stand for decency.
 
Please don't say teachers don't get paid enough. Average Chicago Public School teachers earn more than $71,000 a year . . . and I personally believe that figure represents manipulated numbers. (I say that because they have a searchable database.) http://www.familytaxpayers.org/ftf/ftf_salaries.php
71K to live and work in Chi Town? No just no, but hell no. Get that closer to 125K and we can talk. But there better be some damn good perks.
 
70k is not very much for a educated professional. I think teachers are way underpaid.
71K to live and work in Chi Town? No just no, but hell no. Get that closer to 125K and we can talk. But there better be some damn good perks.
 
70k is not very much for a educated professional. I think teachers are way underpaid.

That is considerably more than I make as a 30-year registered nurse. Those of us who work in service professions know, going in, that we will likely never make big bucks, and we do it because it's what we are geared for, and because we prefer to work in a profession which can help others in one way or another. 70K is a respectable salary.
 
I guess a lot depends on what part of the counrty you work in. I am an RN and make considerably more. 70k is not overpaid by anystretch.
That is considerably more than I make as a 30-year registered nurse. Those of us who work in service professions know, going in, that we will likely never make big bucks, and we do it because it's what we are geared for, and because we prefer to work in a profession which can help others in one way or another. 70K is a respectable salary.
 
The bolded was my initial point. We teach children to be passive nowadays, and we don't allow them to use force against aggression, which is the natural human impulse. My sons were in school back when public schools first started implementing this policy. I told both of my sons to never initiate aggression against someone else, but to always meet it with equal force, even if it meant them getting suspended from school. When we fail to meet aggression head-on, aggressors see it as weakness, and their behaviors increase in intensity.

Agreed. By not allowing kids to fight back, schools are actually teaching kids to ACCEPT being bullied.

If a kid's mindset is already fragile from the bullying, how can they not sink even deeper when they know the adults won't back them up and won't let them do anything about it?
 
That is considerably more than I make as a 30-year registered nurse. Those of us who work in service professions know, going in, that we will likely never make big bucks, and we do it because it's what we are geared for, and because we prefer to work in a profession which can help others in one way or another. 70K is a respectable salary.
I have a buddy who's wife is a registered nurse.
She is making right at 100K here in Florida. Orlando to be exact.
I think I would rather make 100K in Florida then 70K in Chicago.
 
That is because bullies are, in reality, nothing more than cowards. The problem is, we as a society are conceding to them, which gives them the false idea that they are in some sort of control.

I've never agreed with this line of thinking. They're repugnant, have no morals, are miserable people, but I've always felt that the "coward" label was only something to make ourselves feel better about something we have little to no control over. We can't really do much, if anything, about it, so we verbally denigrate the bully... from a safe distance.
 
I have a buddy who's wife is a registered nurse.
She is making right at 100K here in Florida. Orlando to be exact.
I think I would rather make 100K in Florida then 70K in Chicago.

Dang- I'm starting to think that I live in the wrong place. :lol:
 
I've never agreed with this line of thinking. They're repugnant, have no morals, are miserable people, but I've always felt that the "coward" label was only something to make ourselves feel better about something we have little to no control over. We can't really do much, if anything, about it, so we verbally denigrate the bully... from a safe distance.

They ARE cowards. Anyone who feels okay about themselves does not engage in trying to beat someone else down.
 
71K to live and work in Chi Town? No just no, but hell no. Get that closer to 125K and we can talk. But there better be some damn good perks.

I see you don't know much about "Chi Town." And even less about their perks.
 
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