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    Re: Bullying...

    I think the school system needs to make up its mind already. Either crack down on bullying so hard that children are not given the opportunity to do it anymore, or enable victims to fight back by not suspending them.

    When I was a kid there was one bully who teased me daily for months until finally I snapped and punched him square in the face and screamed bloody murder at him. He never bothered me again, and was not permanently harmed.

    Our culture is becoming so wussy. You can't hit anyone without being charged with a crime, when sometimes physical confrontation is highly useful. Not only that, sometimes it is completely justified. Other parts of the world seem to understand this. Humans respond to intrusions placed upon their physical boundaries.

    Letting young people experience the full backlash against their bullying quickly sorts them out. But all this hand holding and half-measures are so annoying to witness.

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    Re: Bullying...

    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Light View Post
    I think the school system needs to make up its mind already. Either crack down on bullying so hard that children are not given the opportunity to do it anymore, or enable victims to fight back by not suspending them.

    When I was a kid there was one bully who teased me daily for months until finally I snapped and punched him square in the face and screamed bloody murder at him. He never bothered me again, and was not permanently harmed.

    Our culture is becoming so wussy. You can't hit anyone without being charged with a crime, when sometimes physical confrontation is highly useful. Not only that, sometimes it is completely justified. Other parts of the world seem to understand this. Humans respond to intrusions placed upon their physical boundaries.

    Letting young people experience the full backlash against their bullying quickly sorts them out. But all this hand holding and half-measures are so annoying to witness.
    Yeah too many school admins are cowardly and send messages like "Wow only 30 minute detention or a 3 day vacation for wailing on that homo right in class. I should do this more often!"

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    Re: Bullying...

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Bullying... the new trendy social issue. How are we doing at addressing it?

    I don't think any reasonable person would deny that bullying exists, but... are we properly addressing the issue or are we blowing it out of proportion?
    Which type of bulling do you mean?

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    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Bullying is human nature. There's nothing exclusively American about it.
    Every culture I have met bullies in a different way and on different occasions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    Yeah too many school admins are cowardly and send messages like "Wow only 30 minute detention or a 3 day vacation for wailing on that homo right in class. I should do this more often!"
    Well, for particularly vicious attacks, expulsion should always be an option. The stories I have been reading in the past 5-10 years about what kids are being expelled for it simply ridiculous. Horrible assaults continue to happen yet children are sent home for wearing certain t-shirts or accidentally bringing a butter knife to school.

    I don't think education should be a right for children who are too violent or dysfunctional to avoid inflicting trauma on other students, especially when their parents are not doing their job at home. If parents want to slack off on raising their kids then they can enjoy having their child at home permanently when they attack other students. School is supposed to be a learning environment, not a battle ground. I'm all in favor of giving bullies whatever counselling they need to get over their issues, but quarantining them from harming people is just sane policy.

    There's a difference between skirmishes and light physical conflicts that end up getting resolved and people move on with their lives. But some of these bullies are psycho, and the large class sizes combined with poor parenting means that the issue is being ignored.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Light View Post
    Well, for particularly vicious attacks, expulsion should always be an option. The stories I have been reading in the past 5-10 years about what kids are being expelled for it simply ridiculous. Horrible assaults continue to happen yet children are sent home for wearing certain t-shirts or accidentally bringing a butter knife to school.

    I don't think education should be a right for children who are too violent or dysfunctional to avoid inflicting trauma on other students, especially when their parents are not doing their job at home. If parents want to slack off on raising their kids then they can enjoy having their child at home permanently when they attack other students. School is supposed to be a learning environment, not a battle ground. I'm all in favor of giving bullies whatever counselling they need to get over their issues, but quarantining them from harming people is just sane policy.

    There's a difference between skirmishes and light physical conflicts that end up getting resolved and people move on with their lives. But some of these bullies are psycho, and the large class sizes combined with poor parenting means that the issue is being ignored.
    Yeah, i definitely agree that there's hysteria over things like 1st grader's 'gun shaped chicken tender' and 'political' t shirts that only reinforces my view of the adults' collective incompetence. Serious bullying is pretty simple to me. If the school can't provide a safe learning environment for all students, then don't bother pretending it's a school. Just shut it down.

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    Re: Bullying...

    I think kicking a bully's ass is about the most satisfying experience of ones life. I do understand that is not always possible. I would not want my kids to go to school in fear, and my boys were never in that situation. I think the idea this is a gay movement is silly.
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    Re: Bullying...

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    To answer the OP, not nearly enough is being done to curb bullying. Schools now put up cutesy little posters, saying, "This is a BULLY FREE ZONE!1!!1" and "REPORT ALL BULLYING!" but they don't really want to do anything about it - at least none of the schools my girls have gone to. They want to brush the problems under the rug until some teenager jumps out a window, and then it's too late.
    I can't speak about the schools you send your girls to, but the fact is schools are very limited in what they can do in response to bullying. Very little actual bullying is physical, the majority of it is mental. It's a mental situation perpetuated by the physical differences, but there is very little physical bullying which occus.

    So, if you're a school, you're very limited in how you can handle it. If I see it, I handle it. But if I don't see it, what can I do? If a child reports it, we can talk to the other child but if they deny it, you can't discipline for that. And if they just say something to another kid, without really doing much else, the school is simply limited in their responses to that situation.

    I'm not going to speak on whether it's right or not, I'm simply stating a fact. You cannot suspend a kid because he or she might have said something mean to another kid.

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    Re: Bullying...

    The Wolke et al (2013) study is among such studies to state that enough has not been made against bullying. They call for a total pull out from the thinking that "Bullying is a way of life" because it causes it does most damage to the players: Bully (i.e., psychopath), victims, and the more common bully-victims (i.e., former victims "taught" to be bullies from bullies). Damage continues to the adult life with risks more 6 times to be diagnosed with a serious illness, smoke regularly, maintain a job, or develop a psychiatric disorder.

    The research assessed 1,420 participants four to six times between the ages of 9 and 16 years and adult outcomes between 24-26 years of age.
    It may also be a cultural problem. I usually approach the bully with a simple question "What is a big fella like you doing around younger kids? What is your business here?" Really though, what is an older guys business with children? They should be with their peers!

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    Wolke, D., Copeland, W. E., Angold, A., & Costello, E. J. (2013). Impact of bullying in childhood on adult health, wealth, crime, and social outcomes. Psychological Science, DOI: 10.1177/0956797613481608; Retrieved from: Far from being harmless, the effects of bullying last long into adulthood .
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    Re: Bullying...

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Quite often the parents themselves are adult bullies.

    I remember a family in particular when my kids were growing up. They moved to town when my youngest was in 5th grade. We were friends with the school principal and he told me that when their kids would get in trouble... for some type of bullying, usually... the parents would stomp in and threaten lawsuits and the such if the school did any kind of disciplinary action.
    Then the principle should have manned up and handed him a business card of the lawyer the school board uses.
    Then say "seeing as you have brougth lawyers into this conversation, here is the name of ours. All communication between you and the school will be handled through them. Now leave my office".

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