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    Re: Bullying...

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    I agree some problems just need to be resolved between the involved parties and no one else.
    Except in cases where the problems are physical, or involve legitimate threats of physical violence, you're right. This isn't the kind of world-ending problem a lot of people pretend it is.
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    Re: Bullying...

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Heh...leave it to me to make it light-hearted in a bullying thread.

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    Re: Bullying...

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    I got completely sucked into that clip. Now I want to watch the movies all over again.
    Hey now, you're going to make me watch them all over again too!
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    Re: Bullying...

    Quote Originally Posted by TheGirlNextDoor View Post
    Are we in the basement?
    Not yet, but I could make a genuine effort to have a mod need to move it down there if you'd like.

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    Re: Bullying...

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    Bullying among kids, right?

    Well, it's certainly wrong to just discard it claiming "kids will be kids". That's belitteling the issue. Most of that behavior dismissed in this manner would be considered serious criminal offenses when adults do it. And children should be taught soon enough that this is the case.
    And when it's actual criminal behavior, you handle it as such. We have laws for that already. Beating the crap out of a kid should carry no less of a penalty than beating the crap out of an adult. It's the whiny liberal "but you might make them feel bad!" nonsense that most of us are objecting to. Suck it up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Not yet, but I could make a genuine effort to have a mod need to move it down there if you'd like.
    I would do it, but I'm skating on thin ice as it is around here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGirlNextDoor View Post
    I would do it, but I'm skating on thin ice as it is around here.
    I'll pick up the slack. I don't think I've been gigged for a couple months. Gipper's a good boy.

    Oh wait, I should say something on-topic. Bullying sucks.

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    Re: Bullying...

    It's a difficult issue, and how to handle it with your child is tricky.


    Outside of gang-infested (mostly) urban schools, most bullying is social and psychological rather than overtly violent... yet it is exactly this kind of bullying that can do the worst and most lasting damage, and is the hardest to deal with or fight back against. A child that is neither socially adept nor eloquent finds it hard to verbally defuse this kind of bullying, and children who already have self-confidence problems can be devastated by it.

    Given schools' supposed zero-tolerance against violence, and the frequency with which the law gets involved in school fights, telling you kid just to whup someone's ass is likely going to draw you a whole basketfull-of-Hell worth of trouble... especially if your kid ends up throwing the first blow in front of witnesses, or just defended themselves in the ABSENCE of friendly witnesses. This can result in criminal investigation, lawsuits, and all kinds of Not Good.

    It's not like it was when I was a youngster, and I complained to my Dad that someone had pushed me around and he said "Go to school tomorrow and fight him... make sure you give him a couple good punches in the face and win or lose he'll leave you alone afterward." At the time, not bad advice, but things are a lot more complicated these days.

    So many youngsters do much of their socializing on the Net that cyber-bullying can result in nearly as much emotional trauma as in-person bullying. I think especially since people tend to say WORSE things to people from the safety of the Internet than they would in person...

    My son is 17 and in HS; he's always been big for his age, and trained in martial arts from early childhood, but we STILL had bullying issues anyway because it is more complicated these days than can easily be solved just punching someone in the mouth... though I still think that IS a good response to some circumstances.

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    Re: Bullying...

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Yeah, what we probably need to be doing, as we did when I was young and in school, is let someone kick the bully's ass, rather than teaching children to be passive, and punishing them for fighting back against an aggressor.
    What they used to do in this area was for the coach to take the two to the gym, put some gloves on them and "make it legal". Sometimes the bully didn't want to accept because then it was a fair fight, sometimes the bully won, but the requirement was to shake hands after the "match". I don't know when that stopped here but my older family members recall well that bullying and fights were stopped at the ring's edge.

    I don't know if that is enough today, but it sure brought civility to the school yard back then, fights were much less prevalent and less violent.
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    Re: Bullying...

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Hey now, you're going to make me watch them all over again too!
    Pretty impossible to resist right!?

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