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    Re: Bullying...

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    That's the way I see it and I was bullied pretty mercilessly myself. Hate to say it, but bullying made me what I am today. Without that tempering I doubt I would have been able to handle the more difficult **** storms I have been though. It taught me a very important lesson that when the **** hits the fan a clear head and open eyes are best. The bullying didn't stop at home either and we didn't have computers, I had brothers and sisters, and it was always a three or more on one affair. Quite frankly children today are way to sheltered, my littlest brother has never had the experience I and my other older siblings did growing up and I think it detracts a bit. We tease him but we are older and lazier now so its not near as harsh and we are much more good natured then when we were growing up. That's my take. Oh there was a saying growing up that we used to have, "sticks and stones may break my bones but names will never hurt me, nener nerner. " We always tried to come up with good one liner comebacks. Never hardly worked except for every once in awhile we would knock one out the park so to speak. It was worth all the other failures to see the look on their faces I thought.
    But things are different now, Pirate. They are. We all were bullied when we were kids, but today's kids don't handle it as easily. They jump out a window, or shoot up a school full of kids. Is it because we are raising them with kid gloves now? I don't know. I just know that it's a different world we live in now, and yes, despite the "sticks and stones" stuff, words DO hurt.




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    Re: Bullying...

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    So boys who get beat up physically are a serious matter, but girls who suffer public ridicule and derision on-line is trivial? Did you really say something so callous and stupid??

    There are cases, probably thousands of them, where a girl has naked photos taken of her without her consent by a classmate in gym class, and those photos are distributed throughout the entire school and beyond, resulting in a flood of hate posts calling her a slut, whore, etc. Boys yell "nice tits!" as she walks the hall of her own school. She receives dozens of insulting texts, and if she has a facebook page, it is filled with derision, ridicule and taunts to "go kill yourself, whore". Boys don't want to be seen talking to her, girls either avoid her or join in the taunts. She's utterly alone. And it doesn't end when she goes home; it's on her phone, her computer, all over the internet. To you this is "trivial"? That is a completely disgusting and revolting point of view, reflecting no understanding, compassion or empathy. It's pathetic, and an unbelievably cruel thing to say.
    I agree with him actually. I was bullied myself fairly harshly. I am not pretty, in fact I hit more then a few branches of the ugly tree on the way down, and I was portly. Easy pickens for awhile until I earned my bones so to speak. If a girl is being bullied there are two options. Sit there and take it, or dish it back out. If she sits there and takes it, that makes her easy meat. Sorry but children are cruel little beasts and will be utterly heartless. Bullying is OPORTUNITY to prove oneself and EARN respect. Mommy and daddy coming to rescue just exacerbates the problem. If I was giving advise to a young girl, I would tell her to roll with the punches and learn to dish it back out. A good one liner every once in awhile will eventually shut down even the cruelest bitch. It will take time but eventually she will EARN respect and that more than anything else will build their self-esteem.
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    Re: Bullying...

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    I just know that it's a different world we live in now, and yes, despite the "sticks and stones" stuff, words DO hurt.
    If you can't handle words as a kid, you may as well just eat a bullet. It doesn't end at adulthood.

    I don't want to say "sack up, pussy", but...sack up, pussy. Minimal bullying is good, because it toughens the skin. It's also a good way to bust a runaway ego down a notch or three.

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    Re: Bullying...

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    I agree with him actually. I was bullied myself fairly harshly. I am not pretty, in fact I hit more then a few branches of the ugly tree on the way down, and I was portly. Easy pickens for awhile until I earned my bones so to speak. If a girl is being bullied there are two options. Sit there and take it, or dish it back out. If she sits there and takes it, that makes her easy meat. Sorry but children are cruel little beasts and will be utterly heartless. Bullying is OPORTUNITY to prove oneself and EARN respect. Mommy and daddy coming to rescue just exacerbates the problem. If I was giving advise to a young girl, I would tell her to roll with the punches and learn to dish it back out. A good one liner every once in awhile will eventually shut down even the cruelest bitch. It will take time but eventually she will EARN respect and that more than anything else will build their self-esteem.
    If you also believe that boys being bullied is serious, but girls being bullied is trivial, then I disagree with you just as much as I disagree with him, and for the same reasons.

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    Re: Bullying...

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    They could, if they had parents who didn't cede parenting to the TV and internet. Any child traumatized by cyber-bullying need only cease to log onto the internet - it soon goes away when the intended audience isn't listening/viewing.
    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    I used to think that, too, John, but it's not that easy. When I was a kid, if there was a kid that was bullied, he was bullied by a handful of people, usually, and that was it. Now, it doesn't matter if a girl turns off her computer or not - the same viciousness and hatefulness is going on whether she's there to see it or not.

    One cell phone camera + Facebook could potentially = destruction in a teenage girl's life. Girls are so mean, anyway. It's more girls than boys now. I have a very good friend whose daughter was being mercilessly bullied, because they didn't have a lot of money. They picked on her because of her phone. It was an older trac phone that her Dad gave to her, and put minutes on there so she could be like the other kids and have a cell phone. Thing was, the bitches at her school still made fun of her because it wasn't an iPhone. And it's not just going on in the halls at school. It happens online, with increasing frequency, and it gets spread until it goes viral in the school. Then, no matter if she was watching it happen online or not, the bullying gets worse in school, because she's being called names, laughed at, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I appreciate what your saying - my reference was to the issue of a supportive family and far too many young people today don't have supportive families to help take away some of the stress.

    As for girls, they haven't been all "sugar and spice" since I don't know when - you're bang on about the viciousness of some "little" girls.
    I get ya, but I would still have to lean toward Superfly. Even if you are sequestered in your room reading a book, you know it's still going on. It used to be that pretty much nobody gave you a second thought when you weren't in eye shot. That's the difference.


    Quote Originally Posted by Mustachio View Post
    I think we're on track and taking many of the right measures. When I was in high school (not all that long ago, but I guess a decade is a good chunk of time) the only thing to stop bullies was a video we watched about a kid who killed himself because he was bullied. It helped for about a week and then everybody forgot about it. The problem wasn't just that kids were bullied, it was that those who were neither bullies nor the bullied made no attempt to help the situation. They'd just jump on the pile and make fun of the weak, the underprivileged, the different, even the deaf -- seriously, the deaf. The natural urge is to make fun of the people everybody else is making fun of to divert attention away from yourself, who could be next.

    With the numerous campaigns that exist today, I think we're headed in the right direction. Many schools have more comprehensive anti-bullying programs than they did 10 years ago, and more importantly, the students are exposed to media campaigns and documentaries, which really does help IMHO. I don't think you can ever stop the bullies from bullying. But I think you can persuade the rest of the student body to be civil toward students who are bullied. Years after high school I wrote to the students I felt were bullied and apologized to them for what they went through and for not doing more to be kind to them. I was surprised when told that I was the only person who bothered to do this. My advice to anybody in their 20s: do what I did. You could really help somebody who may still be recovering from the trauma that was the first 18 years of their life.
    Wholeheartedly agree with this. I'll even take it a step further and say this is why most people prefer to be average. The extremes... of both failure and success... threatens people and they will lash out accordingly.
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    Re: Bullying...

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Bullying... the new trendy social issue. How are we doing at addressing it?

    I don't think any reasonable person would deny that bullying exists, but... are we properly addressing the issue or are we blowing it out of proportion?
    New?? There's nothing new about bullying. I don't think there would be a single person here that hasn't been the victim of bullying at least once during their life.
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    Re: Bullying...

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    But things are different now, Pirate. They are. We all were bullied when we were kids, but today's kids don't handle it as easily. They jump out a window, or shoot up a school full of kids. Is it because we are raising them with kid gloves now? I don't know. I just know that it's a different world we live in now, and yes, despite the "sticks and stones" stuff, words DO hurt.
    Unfortunately, we're raising a generation of kids that are essentially wimps. They don't know how to handle adversity, they don't know how to handle challenge or hardship, they want everything handed to them on a silver platter. Back when we were kids, we had bullies and we learned how to deal with them and overcome them. We didn't go whine on Facebook and kill ourselves because life isn't always peachy. If kids are unable to handle some harsh words, they probably shouldn't be in the gene pool.
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    Re: Bullying...

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    But things are different now, Pirate. They are. We all were bullied when we were kids, but today's kids don't handle it as easily. They jump out a window, or shoot up a school full of kids. Is it because we are raising them with kid gloves now? I don't know. I just know that it's a different world we live in now, and yes, despite the "sticks and stones" stuff, words DO hurt.
    Please spare me that horse****. That's exactly what it is too. Children are no more fragile now then before. There is ONE and only one difference between to today and yesterday and that's children are way more coddled. Just like when I was growing up I was more coddled then my parents were. Children are the same as they have ever been. And the world sure as hell at least in this country is a LOT less crueler then it was even when I or you were growing up and most definitely when our parents and their parents were growing up.

    Words only hurt one thing puppets. Are you a puppet? Are your children puppets? Are you and your children to manipulated as if you were puppets, at the will of some one else? One of the MOST valuable lessons we learn when we are growing up is that words ONLY have the meaning and power WE the listener assign them and no more. Have you not learned that lesson. Have you taught your children that lesson? Its one we should ALL learn and well. Your words only have worth to me, if I and ONLY I assign them worth. If I assign your words no worth then you may as well be farting as talking. I would deny NO child that very valuable lesson. It teaches something else as well, to have strength and confidence in oneself.
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    Re: Bullying...

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    If you also believe that boys being bullied is serious, but girls being bullied is trivial, then I disagree with you just as much as I disagree with him, and for the same reasons.
    I believe bullying is serious business all the way around. But I also believe it is opportunity for children to EARN respect and should be looked forward to as an obstacle to overcome.
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    Re: Bullying...

    Quote Originally Posted by TheGirlNextDoor View Post
    New?? There's nothing new about bullying. I don't think there would be a single person here that hasn't been the victim of bullying at least once during their life.
    You misunderstood the question. It did not imply that bullying is new, only that bullying as a social issue to be tackled is relatively new. Back in the day you heard "Fight back" or "Suck it up and get over it". Today you have programs and posters and slogans and grandstanding politicians and all kinds of 'help'.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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