View Poll Results: How are we doing at addressing bullying?

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    Re: Bullying...

    Quote Originally Posted by Nynaeve Meara View Post
    I can see it that way as I'm calling upon personal experience and not just academia. I realize that everyone has had different experiences which is excellent point of learning. It does however show the different attitudes available today vs what was a significant time period ago (generational gap).

    If said child being picked on wants to walk through hallways not being picked on they need to draw upon the help of everyone around them, not resort to violent altercations. We are not primitive homo-sapiens anymore.
    Not sure how connected you are with reality. School officials dont stop it even when it is drawn to their attention. In your 'perfect world' we wouldnt need law enforcement and jails either. Im sure it is a wonderful place and you go there often. In your mind.

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    Re: Bullying...

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    I wish that this poll had multiple options. I honestly think its both being blown out of proportion and we aren't doing enough. Its being blown out of proportion in the sense that now in what may be a legitimate two sided issue between two people, one gets to play the "victim" essentially to rid him or herself of guilt and completely destroy the other person. I also think we aren't doing enough because the real bullies and and victims are often the ones that never get caught because no one speaks up.
    I think you make a very good point.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Bullying...

    Quote Originally Posted by Nynaeve Meara View Post
    It really does, because standing up for yourself with violence is an indication of generational gap and culture difference. We are becoming more civilized not less where violence is less of a response than it was say 20 or 30 yrs ago.
    You need to realize that being "civilized" is a veneer covering a very brutal creature, we humans. It is learned behavior and it doesn't take much to strip it away either. As for violence? 20 or 30 years ago it was frowned upon too, or did you miss the part of my being suspended from school for a week simply for defending myself?

    IMO your worldview is very naive, and based on limited experience in real world situations.
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    Re: Bullying...

    Adversity sadly builds character. Too much can kill or scar, too little can result in individuals too weak to compete. How we balance that as a society, I don't know. One of the problems with school is that we often talk about "once you are in the REAL world things are different". Meaning, life outside of school where you have to work to survive and parents aren't coddling you, etc. So do we want to have school PREPARE people for that real world, or SHELTER them from it? I get bullied every day in my chosen career, comes with the territory. How I react to it is important. At the same time, children bullied to the point of suicide...my heart breaks. Worse, even though I'm entirely confident in my parenting abilities with regards to my own child's experiences and training...what if my wife and I were to die and leave here to society to care for? I'd like those rules in place then I suppose. At the same time, I'd also like know she'd be taught those life lessons...

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    Re: Bullying...

    Quote Originally Posted by Van Basten View Post
    How can anyone think bullying is being blown out of proportion?

    Anyway, we're not doing enough.
    I can.

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    Re: Bullying...

    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Light View Post
    Well, for particularly vicious attacks, expulsion should always be an option. The stories I have been reading in the past 5-10 years about what kids are being expelled for it simply ridiculous. Horrible assaults continue to happen yet children are sent home for wearing certain t-shirts or accidentally bringing a butter knife to school.

    I don't think education should be a right for children who are too violent or dysfunctional to avoid inflicting trauma on other students, especially when their parents are not doing their job at home. If parents want to slack off on raising their kids then they can enjoy having their child at home permanently when they attack other students. School is supposed to be a learning environment, not a battle ground. I'm all in favor of giving bullies whatever counselling they need to get over their issues, but quarantining them from harming people is just sane policy.

    There's a difference between skirmishes and light physical conflicts that end up getting resolved and people move on with their lives. But some of these bullies are psycho, and the large class sizes combined with poor parenting means that the issue is being ignored.
    While this solves the problem for the school, this does nothing to punish the attacker.

    With physical attacks the attacker should be referred to the pólice for charges. With mental attacks, well they have no power intil the attackee gives them power.

    I can't remember one day in high school worring about what anybody thought of me. I think that is an important lesson to teach especially girls these days. Thier life does not end if they are not the most popular girl in school, after all high school is temporary and it should have no effect a what somebody does afterwards. Heck, high school is the easiest part of life compared to working a real job.

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    Re: Bullying...

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    The Wolke et al (2013) study is among such studies to state that enough has not been made against bullying. They call for a total pull out from the thinking that "Bullying is a way of life" because it causes it does most damage to the players: Bully (i.e., psychopath), victims, and the more common bully-victims (i.e., former victims "taught" to be bullies from bullies). Damage continues to the adult life with risks more 6 times to be diagnosed with a serious illness, smoke regularly, maintain a job, or develop a psychiatric disorder.



    It may also be a cultural problem. I usually approach the bully with a simple question "What is a big fella like you doing around younger kids? What is your business here?" Really though, what is an older guys business with children? They should be with their peers!

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    Wolke, D., Copeland, W. E., Angold, A., & Costello, E. J. (2013). Impact of bullying in childhood on adult health, wealth, crime, and social outcomes. Psychological Science, DOI: 10.1177/0956797613481608; Retrieved from: Far from being harmless, the effects of bullying last long into adulthood .
    Has anybody seen some of the Maury Povich shows where he reunites bullies with the people that were bullied?

    Yes when they were kids they suffered some pain, most of which was mental, but they bettered their lives because of it.

    What would have happened to those people if they were not bullied?

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    Re: Bullying...

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    Has anybody seen some of the Maury Povich shows where he reunites bullies with the people that were bullied?

    Yes when they were kids they suffered some pain, most of which was mental, but they bettered their lives because of it.

    What would have happened to those people if they were not bullied?
    Well, of course Maury Povich is going to look for the ones who are beautiful, or wealthy. He isn't going to put skanky scuzzes on there. He saves those types for the "Who's your baby daddy?" shows.

    Maybe in the interest of fairness, Maury should include the families of the people who were bullied, who jumped out a window.
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    Re: Bullying...

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    I suspect that the cyber aspect is what has caused the issue to increase. Back in the day, at least you could go home and be with your own family and escape the onslaught for awhile. Now, kids can't even do that.
    They could, if they had parents who didn't cede parenting to the TV and internet. Any child traumatized by cyber-bullying need only cease to log onto the internet - it soon goes away when the intended audience isn't listening/viewing.
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    Re: Bullying...

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    They could, if they had parents who didn't cede parenting to the TV and internet. Any child traumatized by cyber-bullying need only cease to log onto the internet - it soon goes away when the intended audience isn't listening/viewing.
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