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    Re: Bullying...

    Quote Originally Posted by Nynaeve Meara View Post
    That is entirely debatable and could be an interesting thread, imo.
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    Re: Bullying...

    this would probably make an interesting thread.
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    some people are just born without a soul....the true sociopath. others are "created" due to early childhood abuse. google "reactive attachment disorder".
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    Re: Bullying...

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    some people are just born without a soul....the true sociopath. others are "created" due to early childhood abuse. google "reactive attachment disorder".
    There isn't such thing as a soul, scientifically speaking. ASPD(antisocial personality disorder: sociophathy[sic]) is something that is hard to diagnose and sociopathy [sic] has yet to be proven genetic since it is usually due to outside influence. Google DSM IV TR

    I should add a moral compass is mostly learned not instinctual. Which is why it varies throughout the world so much.
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    Re: Bullying...

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Bullying... the new trendy social issue. How are we doing at addressing it?

    I don't think any reasonable person would deny that bullying exists, but... are we properly addressing the issue or are we blowing it out of proportion?
    I checked "other". I supposed I could have checked "we're not doing enough", but my main opinion is that "we're not focusing on everything that needs to be discussed." What I mean by that is that discussions about bullying almost exclusively focus on condemning children and lamenting how horrible younger generations have become, particularly in terms of how they use technology. However, from my perspective, children are simply mimicking the behavior they see from a fair amount of the adults around them. They live in a very toxic society where disregarding people's feelings, being rude to people and being a jerk is "cool" among adults and is praised. These sorts of attitudes are pervasive in nearly every aspect of society.

    In politics, concerns over other people's feelings are dismissed as "political correctness". In comedy and other forms of art, concerns over how certain groups are portrayed are disregarded by calling critics "too sensitive." Insult comedy is arguably the most pervasive form of comedy. Television shows are filled with people treating each other horribly. Then you just have the way people treat each other personally - look no further than how people on DP treat each other.

    In sum, "bullying" is simply one symptom of a pretty insensitive, indifferent and cruel society. If we truly want to address it effectively, then we need to change how people treat each other throughout the entirety of society. Adults need to look at themselves and their behavior and stop pretending that it isn't a problem. Myself included. But just passing it off as a generational issue or pointing fingers at certain groups while absolving others of responsibility (which is what's happening now) is not going to work.

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    Re: Bullying...

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Not really. Getting his ass kicked will do the job. You meet force with greater force- to do otherwise is to concede to the bully's superiority.
    Exactly! The one force superior to the muscle is the law. Let the bully collect garbage for a week and he will take notice. If not, there are greater punishments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    Exactly! The one force superior to the muscle is the law. Let the bully collect garbage for a week and he will take notice. If not, there are greater punishments.
    Violence is not the answer and it seems to be very much part of the culture you grew up in.
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    Re: Bullying...

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    I can't speak about the schools you send your girls to, but the fact is schools are very limited in what they can do in response to bullying. Very little actual bullying is physical, the majority of it is mental. It's a mental situation perpetuated by the physical differences, but there is very little physical bullying which occus.

    So, if you're a school, you're very limited in how you can handle it. If I see it, I handle it. But if I don't see it, what can I do? If a child reports it, we can talk to the other child but if they deny it, you can't discipline for that. And if they just say something to another kid, without really doing much else, the school is simply limited in their responses to that situation.

    I'm not going to speak on whether it's right or not, I'm simply stating a fact. You cannot suspend a kid because he or she might have said something mean to another kid.
    Understandable. But there are lots of ways that kids are bullied that go above and beyond, "Sally said I'm a fatty," or anything like that. Internet bullying is really a problem - much moreso than I though until I watched this movie with my girls about cyberbullying. I was always like, "Oh just get up and walk away from the computer if it's that bad," but that was a very simplistic way to look at it. It's more than that. Computers are encompassed in kids lives these days (most of them, anyway) and bullying online is even more harsh than in person. We all know from experience that people are nastier online, and would say much worse things online, than in person. That kind of thing can be stopped, and should be stopped, but usually it's not, until it's too late.
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    Re: Bullying...

    Quote Originally Posted by Nynaeve Meara View Post
    That is entirely debatable and could be an interesting thread, imo.
    Ted Bundy, case closed.

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    Re: Bullying...

    Quote Originally Posted by Nynaeve Meara View Post
    Violence is not the answer and it seems to be very much part of the culture you grew up in.
    There is not 'an' answer. It is a complex problem. Most bullies are bullies because they have seen it or experienced it. Where bullies dont have parents actively and positively engaged in their lives it is very difficult to 'change' the individual. At some point they will get the bully beaten out of them or they will end up in jail. A violent response is often the ONLY effective response to bullies. It doesnt alter the bully...but it does effectively end a specific act of targeting.

    In a perfect world we could take the bully, the parents, and effectivive counseling and effect positive change in the individuals life. That seldom works.

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    Re: Bullying...

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Ted Bundy, case closed.
    Little to no evidence of him having no moral compass in his young child years which would refute born a sociopath.

    Ted Bundy: Conversations with a Killer would show this.
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