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    Re: Bullying...

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    They ARE cowards. Anyone who feels okay about themselves does not engage in trying to beat someone else down.
    I'd agree that they're USUALLY cowards, but no they're not always cowards. Psychopaths/sociopaths do exist.

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    Re: Bullying...

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Bullying... the new trendy social issue. How are we doing at addressing it?

    I don't think any reasonable person would deny that bullying exists, but... are we properly addressing the issue or are we blowing it out of proportion?
    I'm in my late 50s now and I think bullying has been an issue virtually forever - certainly it existed when I was in elementary school, but then I had three older brothers which helped provide a level of immunity.

    People are bullied all through life in one form or another - bosses can bully, salespeople can bully, doctors can bully, etc. - so it's not something you can shelter people from and it's best to find ways to deal with it and learn from the experience.

    I would note, however, that there was an article in one of our papers this morning about a study on children who've been bullied, which started over a decade ago, tracking them from ages 6 to some who are 26 now, and it indicated that children who were bullied are six times more likely to suffer from some type of addiction to alcohol, drugs, etc., are in lower wage jobs, suffer from depression, etc. and those who were bullies are often still very aggressive in their treatment of other people into adulthood. I just provide that for some background.

    I don't have any answers - I think it's more in the news now simply because virtually everything is more in the news now, with the need to fill the 24/7 news beast.
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    Re: Bullying...

    Quote Originally Posted by afr0byte View Post
    I'd agree that they're USUALLY cowards, but no they're not always cowards. Psychopaths/sociopaths do exist.
    You'd be hard pressed to find a child that is a sociopath. There may be symptoms but that is usually part of a greater problem.
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    Re: Bullying...

    Isnt that what they diagnose when kids intentionally run over kittys with lawn mowers and stuff?
    Quote Originally Posted by Nynaeve Meara View Post
    You'd be hard pressed to find a child that is a sociopath. There may be symptoms but that is usually part of a greater problem.
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    Re: Bullying...

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I'm in my late 50s now and I think bullying has been an issue virtually forever - certainly it existed when I was in elementary school, but then I had three older brothers which helped provide a level of immunity.

    People are bullied all through life in one form or another - bosses can bully, salespeople can bully, doctors can bully, etc. - so it's not something you can shelter people from and it's best to find ways to deal with it and learn from the experience.

    I would note, however, that there was an article in one of our papers this morning about a study on children who've been bullied, which started over a decade ago, tracking them from ages 6 to some who are 26 now, and it indicated that children who were bullied are six times more likely to suffer from some type of addiction to alcohol, drugs, etc., are in lower wage jobs, suffer from depression, etc. and those who were bullies are often still very aggressive in their treatment of other people into adulthood. I just provide that for some background.

    I don't have any answers - I think it's more in the news now simply because virtually everything is more in the news now, with the need to fill the 24/7 news beast.
    I'm going to throw this out there for discussion as sort of a Devil's Advocate position. It is something that has occurred to me over the years, but I have never come to a definitive conclusion one way or another.

    Is it possible that this is merely indicative of people's natural personalities and temperaments to begin with, and are pretty much unalterable?

    What I mean is... there are some people who are simply hardwired to be weaker at dealing with life, and they will always be weaker at dealing with life whether they are bullied or not.
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    Re: Bullying...

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    Isnt that what they diagnose when kids intentionally run over kittys with lawn mowers and stuff?
    Sometimes; true sociopaths isn't something that is likely to appear in children. Sure there are some rare examples(usually due to PTSD & abuse), but it isn't the standard.
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    Re: Bullying...

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    I'm going to throw this out there for discussion as sort of a Devil's Advocate position. It is something that has occurred to me over the years, but I have never come to a definitive conclusion one way or another.

    Is it possible that this is merely indicative of people's natural personalities and temperaments to begin with, and are pretty much unalterable?

    What I mean is... there are some people who are simply hardwired to be weaker at dealing with life, and they will always be weaker at dealing with life whether they are bullied or not.
    I believe you're correct - It's certainly not a given that if you're bullied as a child you're going to be unsuccessful in life but there is some truth, in my view, to the concept that some people have personalities that don't allow them to "roll with the punches" that life throws their way and they over-think things that many people consider minor and they become too self-reflective and self-doubting, the old "I deserve to be beaten up 'cause I'm a loser" mentality.

    I don't know that such people are doomed to a troubled life but they may certainly profit from some intense assistance in the art of handling the a-holes of life. As for the overly assertive ones, I think there's less likelihood of changing them in that they get a kind of adrenaline rush from the chase, the beat down, and the conquering of those they see as easy prey - that's a form of drug dependency in itself.
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    Re: Bullying...

    Quote Originally Posted by Nynaeve Meara View Post
    Sometimes; true sociopaths isn't something that is likely to appear in children. Sure there are some rare examples(usually due to PTSD & abuse), but it isn't the standard.
    true sociopaths are born...not made.
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    Re: Bullying...

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    true sociopaths are born...not made.
    That is entirely debatable and could be an interesting thread, imo.
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