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    Re: Any belief, any lack of belief and any rejection of belief to constitute a religi

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    I'm just going to say that you simply have not encountered these types of athiests then. I think one of my most...interesting encounters was at a pagan pride event. I got to see not only the Christians come out to try to "save" the pagans, but some athiests as well to try to "save" both other groups from their "Idiocy" (one of the athiests' word). Their methods were pretty much every bit of "preaching" as were the Christians and even some of the pagans. I will agree that majority of athiest are as you noted in the final sentence, but there are athiest out there on a mission to end all religion.
    No, I have not. Nor has any other atheist I know. And we actually seek out each other's company. Neither has anyone ever produced credible documentation of any such occurrence. People who oppose atheism are always quick to come up with anecdotes about proselytizing atheists who preach the exact same way as the religious. Yet actual atheists condemn such tactics all the time. There is never documentation of a planned event to preach the gospel of atheism (mainly because there is no gospel of atheism) or a video or recording of such an occurrence taking place. Now, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you're not simply making it up, but I imagine that you are confusing mere discussion or debate with preaching. Discussions happen in the public square. If you have actual documentation of the event you're speaking up, rather than merely this brief summary and precious few details, I'd like to see it.
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    Re: Any belief, any lack of belief and any rejection of belief to constitute a religi

    I believe that (a) Reality is real, and (b) My own modest sensory organs and my undeniably limited brain are adequate tools for exploring that "Real Reality".

    Other than that, I am a 100% "atheist" and a certified "rationalist". But make no mistake: (a) and (b) are absolutely "leaps of faith".

    My intuition tells me to stop right there - no more fantasies or "leaps". But...if someone else moves one or two conjectures further - how do we really know he is more in error than we are?

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    Re: Any belief, any lack of belief and any rejection of belief to constitute a religi

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    Like I said. Utter intellectual laziness. I suspect there's also an underlying feeling of insecurity too. If their faith was strong, they wouldn't feel so threatened by the people who lack it.
    It's not intellectual laziness, it's dishonesty, through and through. You're probably right, there's a lot of insecurity mixed in, they're desperate to feel like their beliefs are important, when it's revealed that they're laughable, they get upset.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Any belief, any lack of belief and any rejection of belief to constitute a religi

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    You're probably one of the most religious people I know because you believe solely in yourself and life, which is where and what God is. Why do you think He wants no image, name or designation of origin beyond you?
    I'm going to back away slowly right now...
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Any belief, any lack of belief and any rejection of belief to constitute a religi

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    I'm going to back away slowly right now...
    LOL! I was wondering how you were gonna react to this particular gem.
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    Re: Any belief, any lack of belief and any rejection of belief to constitute a religi

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    LOL! I was wondering how you were gonna react to this particular gem.
    Worse yet, theists actually think that what he said makes any of sense at all.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Any belief, any lack of belief and any rejection of belief to constitute a religi

    Perhaps it is just my science backgroundand that makes a certain binomial process natural to me, but I see religion as a subset of ideology in general -- much as I do political views,and especially so when such views involve actual tenets such as those associated with a particular religion or political platform.

    Rejecting religious belief is hardly a religion, even if silly people try to claim it is. Belief without reason is simply dogmatism, and just because dogmatic people wish to cast reason as something akin to their superstition, it really isn't. It's just that the process is so alien to their nature, they don't recognise the stuff. Now, it's not as if religion precludes reason at all, asthereare somevery reasonable religious poele-- it's more a matter of those accepting religion unquestioningly projecting a similar nature upon others.
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    Re: Any belief, any lack of belief and any rejection of belief to constitute a religi

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Worse yet, theists actually think that what he said makes any of sense at all.
    I does make sense, though. Some religions believe that god is not an entity that created everything, but that god is all creation. It's in everything. Like the atom, only more awesome.
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    Re: Any belief, any lack of belief and any rejection of belief to constitute a religi

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    I does make sense, though. Some religions believe that god is not an entity that created everything, but that god is all creation. It's in everything. Like the atom, only more awesome.
    True, but you have to remember you're talking about people who believe in imaginary friends. Claiming that an imaginary friend is going to harm your opponent for not believing in the imaginary friend is pointless. It's like saying Skippy the Invisible Unicorn is going to gore you with his horn if you don't have faith in Skippy the Invisible Unicorn. Yeah, that's really scary!
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Any belief, any lack of belief and any rejection of belief to constitute a religi

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    Yeah, I know how annoying religious people are with their insistence on converting non believers. But they are at most annoying and as easy for me to rebuff as a pesky sales person.
    Do you live in an area where you get accosted by them almost daily? It gets really, really irritating after a couple of decades.
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