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    Re: Any belief, any lack of belief and any rejection of belief to constitute a religi

    I've noticed two distinct differences in atheists. One version seems to state the obvious that there's no observable proof of a supreme being and the other seems angry at anyone who believes different. Sort of the polar opposite of bible thumpers.
    Einstein, "science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind."

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    Re: Any belief, any lack of belief and any rejection of belief to constitute a religi

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    This idea that atheism is a religion comes from certain theists who insist on putting a label they're familiar with on a philosophy that is completely alien to them. If it makes them feel better, who cares? I'm comfortable with my lack of belief. Let them call it whatever they want. It changes nothing to this fundamental aspect of my character.
    True enough. I am merely annoyed when someone feels they have the right to rudely tell me that my lack of belief in deities is a religion, just like any other, because they, the religious, say so. That is a complete lack of intellectual honesty. Oh, and adding that I'm going to hell for practicing the "religion of atheism" is just adding a cherry on top of their idiotic ideological dogma.

    Arrogance combined with ignorance is profoundly irritating... and depressingly common.

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    Re: Any belief, any lack of belief and any rejection of belief to constitute a religi

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    I've noticed two distinct differences in atheists. One version seems to state the obvious that there's no observable proof of a supreme being and the other seems angry at anyone who believes different. Sort of the polar opposite of bible thumpers.
    I'm a firm believer in freedom of religion, and freedom of everyone to worship or not worship as they please. The only time I get angry is when I am told that the lack of belief in deities is, in fact, a religion... and I'm going to hell for it. Yeah, that gets me pissy.

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    Re: Any belief, any lack of belief and any rejection of belief to constitute a religi

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    True enough. I am merely annoyed when someone feels they have the right to rudely tell me that my lack of belief in deities is a religion, just like any other, because they, the religious, say so. That is a complete lack of intellectual honesty. Oh, and adding that I'm going to hell for practicing the "religion of atheism" is just adding a cherry on top of their idiotic ideological dogma.

    Arrogance combined with ignorance is profoundly irritating... and depressingly common.
    I hear you. It irritates me only to the extent that I find their reasoning intellectually lazy. I have low tolerance for that kind of thing. But, ultimately, it doesn't affect me all that much.
    "Yes, but are you a Protestant atheist or a Catholic atheist?".- Northern Irish joke

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    Re: Any belief, any lack of belief and any rejection of belief to constitute a religi

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    I'm a firm believer in freedom of religion, and freedom of everyone to worship or not worship as they please. The only time I get angry is when I am told that the lack of belief in deities is, in fact, a religion... and I'm going to hell for it. Yeah, that gets me pissy.
    I agree it's completely obnoxious to tell anyone what to believe, one way or the other. Even if there was readily available proof for everyone that there was a supreme being it wouldn't necessarily make you believe that Being was wishing you benevolence. I think how you live your life is a greater testimony towards what you believe than any worshiping, mouth service or plethora of good deeds.
    Einstein, "science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind."

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    Re: Any belief, any lack of belief and any rejection of belief to constitute a religi

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    This idea that atheism is a religion comes from certain theists who insist on putting a label they're familiar with on a philosophy that is completely alien to them.
    Indeed. And the only way they are able to include Atheism as a religion is if they define religion as any set of beliefs, lack of beliefs or rejection of beliefs. But that makes my rejection of wearing orange socks on Wednesday a religion. Does the word "religion" have any meaning at that point outside of being completely absurd?

    Can I start a tax exemption for the Church of No Orange Wednesday Socks?
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    Re: Any belief, any lack of belief and any rejection of belief to constitute a religi

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    True enough. I am merely annoyed when someone feels they have the right to rudely tell me that my lack of belief in deities is a religion, just like any other, because they, the religious, say so. That is a complete lack of intellectual honesty. Oh, and adding that I'm going to hell for practicing the "religion of atheism" is just adding a cherry on top of their idiotic ideological dogma.

    Arrogance combined with ignorance is profoundly irritating... and depressingly common.
    Di...what people don't realize is that Atheist Hell is wayyyyyyyyyyyyyy worse than Religious Hell. We have to go to Atheist Hell and stay dead for eternity.

    It won't be near as fun as our counterpart parts.. .in Religious Hell...who have to watch porno for endless hours on TV and the Internet only to realize they have no genitals. Where they have to go out every night to night clubs where there's no music, booze or drugs... and have to pick up somebody to make out with the opposite of their sexual orientation...forever.

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    Re: Any belief, any lack of belief and any rejection of belief to constitute a religi

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Indeed. And the only way they are able to include Atheism as a religion is if they define religion as any set of beliefs, lack of beliefs or rejection of beliefs. But that makes my rejection of wearing orange socks on Wednesday a religion. Does the word "religion" have any meaning at that point outside of being completely absurd?

    Can I start a tax exemption for the Church of No Orange Wednesday Socks?
    lol

    It also gives brand new meaning to the phrase "I believe in myself".
    "Yes, but are you a Protestant atheist or a Catholic atheist?".- Northern Irish joke

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    Re: Any belief, any lack of belief and any rejection of belief to constitute a religi

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    I just want to get a clear picture on where people stand after it's been argued that any belief, any lack of belief and any rejection of belief constitutes a religion.
    Where are you getting that argument from?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    You better beware the beer fans. Some of them take beer consumption to religious like levels. Them and Futboll Fans. Some of them may shank you.
    Does worshiping beer constitute a religion? I guess so under these new criteria as to what's a religion.
    Doesn't this make us all multi-denominationalist? We all have millions of beliefs, lack of beliefs and rejection of beliefs and since those are now "religions" we're all multi-denominationalist
    Part of religion is a spirituality. All religions have a spirituality but not everyone with a spirituality has a religion.

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    This idea that atheism is a religion comes from certain theists who insist on putting a label they're familiar with on a philosophy that is completely alien to them. If it makes them feel better, who cares? I'm comfortable with my lack of belief. Let them call it whatever they want. It changes nothing to this fundamental aspect of my character.
    While I've heard this a few times, most of what I hear in reguards to atheism and religion, is the religious and evangelical like behavior of some athiest as they "preach" their non-belief mentality. I personally find it funny as they try to convince people against religion with a fervor passing that of many of the religious.

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    I've noticed two distinct differences in atheists. One version seems to state the obvious that there's no observable proof of a supreme being and the other seems angry at anyone who believes different. Sort of the polar opposite of bible thumpers.
    I'm going to disagree with you that there is no observable proof and say that more accurately that there is no reproducable proof. i.e. there is no proof that is anything more than eyewitness, at least when you don't automatically accept the premise that God (whichever you might choose) is behind everything.

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    Re: Any belief, any lack of belief and any rejection of belief to constitute a religi

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    Where are you getting that argument from?
    This Thread. Later pages.

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...-religion.html

    Part of religion is a spirituality. All religions have a spirituality but not everyone with a spirituality has a religion.
    Fair enough. I was making a beer/hooligan joke.
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