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  • John F. Kennedy

    15 16.30%
  • Lyndon B. Johnson

    1 1.09%
  • Richard Nixon

    2 2.17%
  • Gerald Ford

    2 2.17%
  • Jimmy Carter

    2 2.17%
  • Ronald Regan

    34 36.96%
  • George Bush Sr.

    3 3.26%
  • Bill Clinton

    24 26.09%
  • George W. Bush

    4 4.35%
  • Barack Obama

    5 5.43%
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Thread: Who was the best president of the last ten

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    Re: Who was the best president of the last ten

    Quote Originally Posted by falcata View Post
    Ah I get the jist of what you're trying to say, but I'd like to make an adaption to it.

    What you are saying is that Khrushchev wanted a level playing field. This could be achieved by with a status quo of missiles in Turkey and Cuba or with a absence of both. However the United States couldn't stand-by with Missiles a stone's throw away from Miami. So the only real end result would be mutual "demisslizing" of those areas.

    If this is the case though would you say the Cuban missile crisis was actually no real crisis at all?

    Actually if I'm not mistaken didn't we never actually take our missiles out of Turkey?
    The "Cuban Missile Crises" was real, we came extremely close to war.

    JFK ordered the NATO missiles in Turkey to be removed, They were.

    This caused a problem in NATO, JFK was not the commander of NATO and had no authority of issuing the order without involving the other NATO members.

    >" On Saturday evening, after a day of tense discussions within the "ExComm" or Executive Committee of senior advisers, President Kennedy decided on a dual strategy—a formal letter to Khrushchev accepting the implicit terms of his October 26 letter (a U.S. non-invasion pledge in exchange for the verifiable departure of Soviet nuclear missiles), coupled with private assurances to Khrushchev that the United States would speedily take out its missiles from Turkey, but only on the basis of a secret understanding, not as an open agreement that would appear to the public, and to NATO allies, as a concession to blackmail. The U.S. president elected to transmit this sensitive message through his brother, Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy, who met in his office at the Justice Department with Soviet ambassador Anatoly Dobrynin... "<

    The Cuban Missile Crisis, 1962: Anatomy of a Controversey

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    Re: Who was the best president of the last ten

    Quote Originally Posted by Xsnake1 View Post
    John F. Kennedy - 1961-1963
    Lyndon B. Johnson - 1963-1969
    Richard Nixon - 1969-1974
    Gerald Ford - 1974-1977
    Jimmy Carter - 1977-1981
    Ronald Regan - 1981-1989
    George Bush Sr. - 1989-1993
    Bill Clinton - 1993-2001
    George W. Bush - 2001-2009
    Barack Obama - 2009-pres.
    LOL ... over 200 presidential scholars have Obama 15 overall ... and you have him last on this short list ...

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    Re: Who was the best president of the last ten

    Quote Originally Posted by Xsnake1 View Post
    John F. Kennedy - 1961-1963
    Lyndon B. Johnson - 1963-1969
    Richard Nixon - 1969-1974
    Gerald Ford - 1974-1977
    Jimmy Carter - 1977-1981
    Ronald Regan - 1981-1989
    George Bush Sr. - 1989-1993
    Bill Clinton - 1993-2001
    George W. Bush - 2001-2009

    Barack Obama - 2009-pres.



    I have to say that even though he is one of the last ten George W Bush shouldn't even be on the list.

    I'm not going to say that he's the worst ever, but he's mighty close to the bottom of the list.

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    Re: Who was the best president of the last ten

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    With Clinton we had both peace and prosperity. Its hard to beat that combination.
    Clinton was the beneficiary of good timing, like when Monica happened to wander by while Hillary was away.
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    Re: Who was the best president of the last ten

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I will gladly take the eight years of peace and prosperity that the nation had under Clinton again and again and again.
    You'd take it, as would most, but you wouldn't get it if Clinton was president again and again and again.
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    Re: Who was the best president of the last ten

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    How cold anyone even consider JFK unless they have been indoctrinated in revisionism.

    JFK's administration was one failure after another.

    JFK signs off on the Bay of Pigs invasion rejecting former President Eisenhower's warnings and advice.

    Allowing the Berlin Wall going up.

    JFK giving Khrushchev exactly what he wanted during the Cuban Missile Crises.

    Rejecting former President Eisenhower's strategy in Southeast Asia and JFK thinking he could fall back to the 17th parallel and stop Communist expansion there.

    And JFK's biggest mistake of them all, was when he signed off on the CIA backed military coups of removing the President Diem regime from power in the Republic of Vietnam that went wrong and Diem was executed and from that day on America owned Vietnam, it became America's problem. The end game being, 58,000 American dead.
    You have to admit one good thing about Kennedy - he proved that a Democrat President could push for lower taxes and grow the economy - a lesson none of his Democrat successors have carried forward.
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    Re: Who was the best president of the last ten

    due to the economic times, which makes it a nonpolitical issue, but nice try
    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    You have to admit one good thing about Kennedy - he proved that a Democrat President could push for lower taxes and grow the economy - a lesson none of his Democrat successors have carried forward.

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    Re: Who was the best president of the last ten

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    JFK was sworn into office on January 1, 1961. The Eisenhower Administration had already concocted a plan to invade Cuba using Cuban expatriates led the CIA “officers.” They fully expected to go for it if then Vice-President Nixon had been elected President. Once he lost to JFK the CIA spent Kennedy’s first two months in office convincing him of the effectiveness of the plan and that it would result in a general uprising which would require NO AMERICAN troops in support. That timing was of the essence.

    Kennedy trusted Eisenhower and the CIA so he ordered the action on April 17, 1961; and two days later the rebels were all caught by the Cuban military...gee kinda reminds me of several subsequent mistakes by the CIA misleading Presidential policy; like the Shah’s Iran, and the WMD’s in Iraq.

    Kennedy was not about to commit American troops to any invasion of Cuba. That might have led to real war in Europe with the Soviet Union. He did exactly what he said he would to the CIA, back a newly formed democratic Cuban government or try his best to get the rebels out.

    As for the Cuban missile crisis? That was the first time a U.S. President stared down the nuclear armed Soviet Union and the Soviet's blinked first. Everything that came after was built on Kennedy's non-appeasement policy with the Soviet Union. Reagan and his "administration" stood on the shoulders of JFK. Without that "Liberal President" standing up during the Cuban Missile Crisis the Soviets wouldn't have worried about "Hard liner" Reagan at all.
    More to the story, on the day JFK took the oath of office, Eisenhower informed JFK of the CIA plan to invade Cuba. Eisenhower never signed off on the plan. Eisenhower told JFK not to sign off on the Bay of Pigs invasion until there was a "popular" Cuban government in exile. Then if you sign off on the plan you must use U.S. military aircraft to control the air space over the beach and provide close air support for the invading forces. As usual JFK ignored Eisenhower's advice and relied on the advice of those Harvard educated buddies he always surrounded himself with known as "The Young and Brightest" who would also be responsible for getting us in a shooting war in Vietnam.

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    Re: Who was the best president of the last ten

    I'll take two of those three agains, but I would be comfortable with C. Christie. And it is still 38.7 months away. See why we need a 6-year term? I like two of them, not one. And then up the House to 3 years and have a better denominator.
    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    You'd take it, as would most, but you wouldn't get it if Clinton was president again and again and again.

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    Re: Who was the best president of the last ten

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    due to the economic times, which makes it a nonpolitical issue, but nice try
    Government ALWAYS has more money than it actually needs to perform the functions it is mandated to perform. However, with more money comes wandering and wondering and governments then venture into areas they are not mandated to perform and thus they discover they need more money.

    It is ALWAYS the right time to reduce taxes and tighten the belt and focus of government.
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