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  • John F. Kennedy

    15 16.30%
  • Lyndon B. Johnson

    1 1.09%
  • Richard Nixon

    2 2.17%
  • Gerald Ford

    2 2.17%
  • Jimmy Carter

    2 2.17%
  • Ronald Regan

    34 36.96%
  • George Bush Sr.

    3 3.26%
  • Bill Clinton

    24 26.09%
  • George W. Bush

    4 4.35%
  • Barack Obama

    5 5.43%
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Thread: Who was the best president of the last ten

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    Re: Who was the best president of the last ten

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    I don't know how this could be from JFK, since it had been around before he was even known
    Give me a source to prove your claim please.
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    Re: Who was the best president of the last ten

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Saying he had next to nothing to do with it is easily proved false. Reagan put serious pressure on the USSR through military spending, economic policies, political rhetoric and eventually nuclear disarmament. He was as critical to the collapse as Gorbachev.
    The statement I made was hyperbolic. Gorbachev had everything to do with the USSR's collapse. Reagan's policies would have never lead to the USSR's collapse, maybe its weakening as a global power, but not its collapse.
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    Re: Who was the best president of the last ten

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Gorbachev had almost nothing to do with it. The foundation was already ready to collapse, he just finished it off.
    The USSR would have perpetuated, like every other country that has ever gone through a tough time. Gorbachev let it fall apart. He wanted to prove to the world he was serious with democratic reform, and let it happen.
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    Re: Who was the best president of the last ten

    Quote Originally Posted by Juiposa View Post
    The USSR would have perpetuated, like every other country that has ever gone through a tough time. Gorbachev let it fall apart. He wanted to prove to the world he was serious with democratic reform, and let it happen.
    Let it happen, or intentionally made it happen?

    The distinction is important.
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    Re: Who was the best president of the last ten

    Neither fierce nor cute, just as I see it. Nixon blamed the Daley machine for stealing the 1960 election here in IL. And you may remember the Daley machine losing its credentials at the 1972 convention after the disaster in Chicago in 1969. All POTUSs desrve to be on the list, even Hayes.
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    They dont deserve to be on the list because there wasnt enough time to fairly judge their presidency.

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    Re: Who was the best president of the last ten

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post

    You are attributing the lesson that bonehead Cheney gleaned from Reagan's Presidency, not anything Reagan himself said and/or may have believed.

    That being said... was Cheney wrong? I believe his sentiment was/is repugnant, but let's ask what he meant.

    Did he mean "deficits don't matter" as a matter of fiscal policy, and debt should be used to effect policy?

    Or, did he mean "deficits don't matter" as a political consideration? That they could run up a deficit and not suffer political fallout for it. Shoot, maybe even gain politically.

    Either one is repugnant, but if it is the latter one (political) then he wasn't necessarily wrong... in the sense that in spite of people's whining and moaning over the deficit and debt we still elect and re-elect politicians that are willing to spend us into oblivion. Especially Congress, which is where the real purse strings are anyway.
    And this is why I like talking to centrists. We are not walking ideologues. We own up to our crapola votes, like my 3rd overall POTUS one against Carter. How do you talk with people who say the $17 trillion or higher is all Obama? They don't even consider the interest on the TAD.

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    Re: Who was the best president of the last ten

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Let it happen, or intentionally made it happen?

    The distinction is important.
    He had no intention of collapsing the USSR, but he did, almost singlehandedly. He sought to liberalise and reform the country, and when the satellites and the 14 republics used that opportunity to break away, he let it happen. To prove to the world he was serious. What ended up happening, well you know.
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    Re: Who was the best president of the last ten

    I see that as a problem with transition and overlap between admins. Bush-41 got his 1,000 points foundation and helped Clinton. He didn't like the gutter he had to wallow in to beat Dukakis. The last two transitions have not gone well, IMO.
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    Neither of which were his doing. He just got to be the luckiest guy in the history of the Presidency.

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    Re: Who was the best president of the last ten

    Too bad the poll didn't include the the previous 3 before JFK--IKE, Truman and FDR--the post-crash POTUSs and relatively "modern", though they have made it into this discussion. Good thread.

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    Re: Who was the best president of the last ten

    And speaking as a Lincoln Dem, we certainly didn't help matters in the 80's with spending/not cutting. Reagan was about making deals. The Great Society together with Star wars and such was too much for our economy. Time to let the Congresses take their share of the blame.
    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Admittedly Reagan might have done better had he cut spending. The argument would be stronger, however, for the Presidents after winning of the Cold War. After that point the US could paid back the debt.

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