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    Re: Is Obama-care here to stay?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    It will evolve and be modified into an even more truely spectacular mess as more "great ideas" are appended to or woven into it. Once federal gov't control is established, over anything, it will simply not go away.


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    Re: Is Obama-care here to stay?

    For a while, maybe, depending on what happens with all these delays. But I see us eventually going to just a UHC system like most other 1st world nations have already done. It makes more sense.
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    Re: Is Obama-care here to stay?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Ha, yeah. If they were clever enough they would've subsidized the swing states instead of the states they already had like NY and CA.



    I think if we put all the numbers, economics, and reality away for a minute, and just look at one big glaring fact: The politicians who wrote this ****ing bill exempted themselves from it.

    That is all we really need to know that it's a terrible, terrible idea.
    Yes, the exemption here is very "odd."

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    Re: Is Obama-care here to stay?

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    No government ever voluntarily reduces itself in size. Government programs, once launched, never disappear. Actually, a government bureau is the nearest thing to eternal life we'll ever see on this earth!

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    Nice quote and very true.

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    Re: Is Obama-care here to stay?

    I suspect that unless the push to repeal it finds some new source of momentum, the push to repeal will continue to decline.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Is Obama-care here to stay?

    I think universal healthcare is here to stay. I don't think the current plan in its exact form is here to stay. IMHO one of two things is going to eventually happen.

    1. Single payer nightmare.
    2. Everybody will be in a competition based healthcare co-op, a plan I've been advocating.

    One thing that frustrates me is those speaking the loudest on offering the modification and tweaking it needs, seem to me to be motivated more than anything else not in offering the solutions that would make Obamacare better. Rather first and foremost it seems their priority objective is to "completely repeal Obamacare" in order to deprive the president of having the legacy of his signature domestic policy initiative. Sorry if I have a false perception, its just my honest impression. And beyond the apparent alterior political and legacy depriving motive I think is happening, the whole approach is getting nothing done. If people of influence would simply have had a different approach and said, Mr. President thank you for taking the lead in making sure all Americans have healthcare. We think these modifications would make it even better, we'd be so much further in having something that's workable.
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    Re: Is Obama-care here to stay?

    When it kicks in people will hate it, but the two parties will be in no hurry to repeal it.


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    Re: Is Obama-care here to stay?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Premiums have already increased for a large number of Americans, and they're expected to increase even further. My parents premiums, for instance, have increased by about 30% over the last year. A lot of my friends have been cut back hours at work so that the employer doesn't have to give them medical. Now they're stuck with higher premiums and less working hours because of this.

    It's simple supply and demand. We've tried to immediately increase the demand for healthcare services by mandating everybody buys it, but we haven't proportionally increased our healthcare industry. So demand is far outweighing supply, and because of that premiums have skyrocketed.

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    Like I said they will increase for some but not for others. I believe, however, it is like many things...some will not be happy with what it takes for the majority to benefit. There are a lot of reasons premiums will go up. From your source:

    That's because these people live in states where insurers were allowed to sell bare-bones plans and exclude the sick, which has kept costs down. some employers were providing their employees with bare bones policies that did not do them any good anyway. One thing to take into consideration is long term savings. If anyone who's policy will be improved saves money because more of their care is now covered then that should be factored in to actual cost.

    There is lots of talk about the impact on small business, but If you have under 50 employees you are not affected. In addition, many small employers can now afford insurance for themselves and now that employees will now have coverage it will likely help to keep them healthy and working, especially given that preventative care and screenings are covered at 100%.:

    96 percent of the businesses in the U.S. have fewer than 50 employees

    Only 0.2 percent of the businesses in the U.S. with more than 50 employees do not already provide healthcare insurance to full-time employees.

    Is The Affordable Care Act Really Bad For Business? - Forbes

    Also, federal subsidies toward health insurance premiums will be available for individuals with household incomes up to 400 percent of the federal poverty level, along with “cost-sharing subsidies” toward out-of-pocket costs for families with incomes between 100 and 250 percent of the federal poverty level.

    As for individuals in Ohio, good comes with the bad Ohio’s nongroup market who are relatively less healthy, the community-rated premiums even before federal subsidies are most likely to be significantly lower than their medically underwritten pre-A.C.A. premiums

    I also found this interesting Ohio’s lieutenant governor, Mary Taylor, who also acts as director of the Department of Insurance, opposes the Affordable Care Act and supports its repeal she claims that the community based system of pricing does not reward people who can pay less due to better health which they achieved by making "better life choices" tell that to the father with testicular cancer who will leave 5 kids behind.

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    Re: Is Obama-care here to stay?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    What do you think? I think it's here to stay, there will be revisions just like other social programs which became law. The fear of the unknown is always scary. Once it kicks in, people will begin to love it. That's what conservatives fear the most.

    It's here to stay.

    It will be killed by the GOP

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    It's here to stay. If a GOP electoral wave, a presidential election in which the GOP candidate ran on repeal, and a SCOTUS ruling from a majority-conservative court couldn't dislodge it, it's time to let reality sink in.

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    Re: Is Obama-care here to stay?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    What do you think? I think it's here to stay, there will be revisions just like other social programs which became law. The fear of the unknown is always scary. Once it kicks in, people will begin to love it. That's what conservatives fear the most.

    It's here to stay.

    It will be killed by the GOP

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    I suspect Liberals think the same thing about Communism. Once it kicks in, people will grow to love it.

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