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Is It Just Me Or Does Anyone Else Think Hillary Clinton Would Bring Our Ruin?

Would Hillary Be Our Ruin?


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I think they should have leadership qualities that are demonstratable. Should not have questionable political pasts, should be moral, should have executive experience. Just to name a few.

Was that so difficult?
Now match up the candidates who have met that very vague set of qualities...
 
I don't think Hillary Clinton would be a good choice for president and I wouldnt vote for her, but I seriously doubt she would be our ruin.
 
No matter who the Democrats put up the Republicans are just going to try and claim that they are going to be the downfall of 'Murrica and we are all going to live in horrible communist communes in economic despair. They are for more capable of coming up with crazy racist, or sexist in what will be Hillary's case, conspiracy theories than they are any actual debate.

Maybe they should go through their binders full of women to find a good candidate of their own.
 
So in other words, she has no accomplishments.

I'm a Republican but that just isn't fair or honest.

-Earned a Juris Doctorate degree from an Ivy League University.
-Was a top campaign adviser that led to election victories in US Gubernatorial and Presidential elections.
-Served as an unofficial US Ambassador. The most traveled First Lady of the United States history representing the United States on numerous diplomatic missions. (BTW: I think First Ladies are by virtue of their roles US Ambassadors and should be paid for the job. She did it for free).
- Served as an unofficial domestic policy adviser to the President of the United States.
-Two term United States Senator.
-Candidate for President of the United States of America winning votes of either party than any other candidate for President in the 2008 primary election (Barrack Obama won the DNC nomination because Michigan was disqualified due to moving its primary election date and Florida's delegation was only counted at 50%).
- Secretary of State of the United States of America.
- Served on the National Security Council during the raid on Abbottabad, Pakistan that killed Al Qaeda founder, Osama Bin Laden.
- Best selling author.
 
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I'm a Republican but that just isn't fair or honest.

-Earned a Juris Doctorate degree from an Ivy League University.
-Was a top campaign adviser that led to election victories in US Gubernatorial and Presidential elections.
-Served as an unofficial US Ambassador. The most traveled First Lady of the United States history representing the United States on numerous diplomatic missions. (BTW: I think First Ladies are by virtue of their roles US Ambassadors and should be paid for the job. She did it for free).
- Served as an unofficial domestic policy adviser to the President of the United States.
-Two term United States Senator.
-Candidate for President of the United States of America winning votes of either party than any other candidate for President in the 2008 primary election (Barrack Obama won the DNC nomination because Michigan was disqualified due to moving its primary election date and Florida's delegation was only counted at 50%).
- Secretary of State of the United States of America.
- Served on the National Security Council during the raid on Abbottabad, Pakistan that killed Al Qaeda founder, Osama Bin Laden.
- Best selling author.

Let me rephrase the question, I know what she has done, but what has she actually accomplished. What successes during those offices? What makes people think she will be a good President. I'm not looking for a Resume' I'm looking for the substance that goes with that Resume.
 
Let me rephrase the question, I know what she has done, but what has she actually accomplished. What successes during those offices? What makes people think she will be a good President. I'm not looking for a Resume' I'm looking for the substance that goes with that Resume.

I see a sketch coming on... What did Hillary ever do for you?

 
Gubernatorial experience.

With the exception of Kennedy, all of the best presidents of recent past - IMO - have been governors, not Senators.

W. was a governor....
 
I keep seeing the talk about her running, and I see her track record of failures after failure, and I really don't know why she's such a big deal. Personally I think her ideas (her previous ones and any new cockamamie hair-brained scheme's she can come up with now) would be our ruin. What say you??

Seems like a pretty typical politician to me.

She wouldn't be our "downfall" any more than any other recent major politicians have been. But she probably wouldn't improve things either.

I think you're being rather dramatic. I simply find Hillary to be unremarkable, in terms of what she is likely to do for the country.
 
W. was a governor....

It's not transitive. The best presidents were governors, but not all governors were great presidents. Trust me, I didn't have GWB in mind.

Reagan was a governor. Nixon was a governor. Clinton was a governor. All great presidents. Carter and Dubya are exceptions to the rule.
 
By all of the accounts I've seen, she did a good job as Secretary of State. She was also a US senator for 2 terms. What more do you want?

For an executive position, executive experience is always a plus. She has good political connections (not the least of which is Bill Clinton), decent fund raising abilities and is not a white male so she should will do well with the demorats. If the republicants choose to run another lame RINO candidate then she will likely beat their moron too. ;)
 
It's not transitive. The best presidents were governors, but not all governors were great presidents. Trust me, I didn't have GWB in mind.

Reagan was a governor. Nixon was a governor. Clinton was a governor. All great presidents. Carter and Dubya are exceptions to the rule.

Thanks for elaborating, I was actually wondering which governors you thought were good presidents. While I Do not agree with all of the presidents you said were good, I do think gubernatorial experience is a good thing for a candidate to have. Its experience in the executive position and such. I just don't think it has churned out as many good presidents as you do.
 
Thanks for elaborating, I was actually wondering which governors you thought were good presidents. While I Do not agree with all of the presidents you said were good, I do think gubernatorial experience is a good thing for a candidate to have. Its experience in the executive position and such. I just don't think it has churned out as many good presidents as you do.

Well, you're a California socialist - I'm going out on a limb that we won't agree on much...other than executive (governor) experience is much better than legislative (Senator) experience when running for the highest executive office of the land. That I agree with.
 
I think much if not most of the good and bad that happens on a president's watch is more a factor of he happened to be there when it happened as opposed to causing it to happen. I don't think George HW Bush is fully responsible for the emancipation of the communist eastern block. I don't think Bill Clinton is fully responsible for the economic prosperity and technology boom of the 1990s. I don't think George W Bush is fully responsible for 9/11 or Hurricane Katrina. I don't think Barrack Obama is fully responsible for the high unemployment rate, lower wages and fewer benefits for those who can get jobs.

Ah, those are events, I'm talking policy

Clinton -- repealed Glass-Steagall
Bush -- Patriot Act
Obama -- Obamacare

3 -- 2 term Presidents
3 -- catastrophic policy failures.
 
no, it isn't just you. every other partisan Republican feels the same way. and every partisan Democrat thinks that Republican candidate X will cause us to divide by zero, sucking everything that is good and right in the world into the black hole of oblivion.

my opinion is that i thought she was a decent SoS, but i'm pretty meh about her candidacy.

i'm really meh about even thinking about 2016 at this point. 2012 burned me out enough that i don't even really like elections anymore.

Haven't voted for a GOPer since 2004, please don't make assumptions...
 
Seems like a pretty typical politician to me.

She wouldn't be our "downfall" any more than any other recent major politicians have been. But she probably wouldn't improve things either.

I think you're being rather dramatic. I simply find Hillary to be unremarkable, in terms of what she is likely to do for the country.

Unremarkable for what she is likely to do for our country, exceptional in what she can do to our country...
 
I voted yes only because there was no option for my opinion. The incredibly stupid American mindset that would support continued political dynasties will be the ruin of America. The Clintons, the Bushes, the Cheneys, the Pauls and on and on and on are part of all that. Of course the progeny, spouses and siblings cannot hold office unless dumbasses vote for them - and dumbasses will. Half the nation has the IQ of fat gerbil. There's not much we can do about that.
 
I don't know why you all are discussing Hillary. We still have almost 3 more years of Obama. I think that is where your concerns should lie. He has made it perfectly clear he has no intentions of reigning in spending. He refuses to operate within a budget. The debt is so damn scary now, that our children's children have a future of enslavement to pay it off. It's obvious the abuse of government powers that are occurring under his so called leadership. If I were you I'd be more concerned with what might take place this midterm election and if the left gains the House Obama will have free sailing in implementing all that "Change" and after that a Hillary Clinton as madam president isn't going to matter.
 
I don't know why you all are discussing Hillary. We still have almost 3 more years of Obama. I think that is where your concerns should lie. He has made it perfectly clear he has no intentions of reigning in spending. He refuses to operate within a budget. The debt is so damn scary now, that our children's children have a future of enslavement to pay it off. It's obvious the abuse of government powers that are occurring under his so called leadership. If I were you I'd be more concerned with what might take place this midterm election and if the left gains the House Obama will have free sailing in implementing all that "Change" and after that a Hillary Clinton as madam president isn't going to matter.

Hopefully we do get the House!
 
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