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    Re: Voter Laws

    Quote Originally Posted by TiredOfLife View Post
    No, you don't. You don't have to prove your rights here, they come from being born or naturalized here. If the government thinks you weren't, it is on them not you to prove you wrong. That's how our system works.
    Wrong. A person needs to establish their ability to vote. Otherwise, anyone can vote...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    I am for gay marriage because it ticks off Jesus freaks and social conservatives. Gays are also good voters because the vote for my side so I fight next to them.

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    Re: Voter Laws

    Quote Originally Posted by TiredOfLife View Post
    No, you don't. You don't have to prove your rights here, they come from being born or naturalized here. If the government thinks you weren't, it is on them not you to prove you wrong. That's how our system works.
    Nonsense
    "Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views." William F. Buckley Jr.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Nonsense
    Terrific argument, but I have the Founders and the Supreme Court on my side. What you got?

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    Re: Voter Laws

    Quote Originally Posted by TiredOfLife View Post
    Terrific argument, but I have the Founders and the Supreme Court on my side. What you got?
    So, you're claiming that I, as a Canadian, can walk into a polling booth in an American state, claim I'm an American with no ID, and the state has to accept and register my vote unless they can prove on the spot that I'm lying? Is that the load of crap your trying to attribute to the Founding Fathers and the Supreme Court?
    "Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views." William F. Buckley Jr.

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    Re: Voter Laws

    Quote Originally Posted by zstep18 View Post
    Wasn't the reasoning behind the Supreme Court decision that struck down a Arizona voter ID provision because that it went above and beyond the federal voting registration requirements?
    No it was because they did not get federal approval to add to the requirements before they imposed them. It is a murky subject--the interplay. States are not required to have elections under the Constitution, but to the extent that they do, federal law tramples back and forth. The striking down of the relevant provisions of the Voting Rights Act makes it worse. I believe in the AZ case, the federal law required them to accept the mail in uniform federal voter registration form but they were not allowed to add additional requirements without government approval.

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    Re: Voter Laws

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Your Governor Sandoval will never sign a drakkkonian law like this. Neither will Martinez in New Mexico. If repubs had any brains, they would have waited until Holder could not have sued them in time next year. What does it say that the VRA adopted by a 97-0 vote last time is now being filibustered? Each different Repub law is aimed at specific constituencies. Alito and Thomas taught these guys well in 2009 at the Koch conferences.
    What draconian law are you referring to? I'm just discussing this in a general way, not referring to any particular legislation. It seems to be important to the democrats to preclude any kind of VID and since the guys in charge now are indeed those very Democrats, I suppose we won't be seeing any successful legislation in this regard.

    Its just that to me not having ID pretty much speaks to being a total loser, but hell, we're a nation of losers so I won't lose any sleep over it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    Wrong. A person needs to establish their ability to vote. Otherwise, anyone can vote...
    They need to show that they are Eligible to vote, which means they need to be a US citizen, over 18, and depending on the state, not a felon. In order to do that they need to Register. That's it. The rest, if there are concerns, is on the state because the US has no national ID, not formal birth certificate process, no method of formal ID. It's a local issue that for 200 years never required a photo anything. Voting here is sacred, photo ID is just a good idea, and I'm all for it, if you issue everyone a photo ID. Until you do so, don't ask for one because many in this country eligible to vote don't even have a birth certificate, we didn't require one so don't ask for their ID.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    So, you're claiming that I, as a Canadian, can walk into a polling booth in an American state, claim I'm an American with no ID, and the state has to accept and register my vote unless they can prove on the spot that I'm lying?
    Nope.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TiredOfLife View Post
    Nope.
    To quote a brilliant man, "terrific argument".
    "Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views." William F. Buckley Jr.

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    Re: Voter Laws

    Not to be a contrarian ... but where is the actual, you know, poll?

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