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Should Daycare Be Subsidized

Should Daycare Be Subsidized?

  • Yes, Should Be Fixed Price (Quebec)

    Votes: 2 5.0%
  • Yes, Means-Tested (France)

    Votes: 8 20.0%
  • No, It Should Not Be Subsidized

    Votes: 30 75.0%

  • Total voters
    40
I'm not offended. I'm merely pointing out how, with a single sentence, one can remove all political credibility. You see, the statement ~"Somalia is a libertarian paradise" glaringly displays ignorance:

1. Libertarian =/= anarchist.
2. Somalia was ruled by the totalitarian terrorist group Al Shabaab.
3. Somalia is currenly the recipient of one of the largest international entitlement programs in existence.

Now, consider how those two things render the statement, upon which you relied, meaningless and confused at best. Spewing ignorance in regard to both political ideology and current geopolitics is rather unbecomming. That you would base this fail on a obviously deeply flawed ~"saying" only makes the statement that much more pathetic.

I'm so dreadfully sorry for an off the cuff remark. We can't all be as great as you. :roll:
 
No see that isn't an aspect anymore not even families in their late 20s with successful careers can really afford daycare. By your logic people should never have children till their late 30s when it is incredibly difficult and even then it might not be. Shouldn't we be encouraging young successful families?

Oh I believe responsible parents of all income levels who live within their means don't have a problem affording daycare. Those who worry about the new cars, a house they can't afford, the vacations they don't want to miss even if it means putting it on a credit card.......... Or the Coach purses, the Harley's and a membership to the Country Club to keep up with the Jone's may find it hard to pay for Daycare.
Low income families don't pay taxes in fact at the moment we have less than 50% of the good citizens here in the US paying Federal taxes so who do you expect to pick up the tab for the Daycare? Already the lower income receive entitlements in the US that surpasses a couple with two kids both working at Median income.

Other than Daycare is there anything else you all can think of you would like for those still paying taxes to provide for you? New car? Oil change? Tires? A gift card to your favorite restaurant on your Birthday?
 
I am a bit confused with the story, They mention day care costing over $20,000 a year,
but the example has a couple paying $13 a day.
So $13 a day X days a week X 52 weeks a year = $3380, or about $281 per month.
This is quite a bit different than the $1600 a month it would take to get to $20,000 per year.

Sorry I found the article cache it was 73$. 13$ is the French subsidy I think.
When our daughter had her first birthday, my wife went back to work, so we enrolled our daughter in a daycare, the cost of which averages around $1,600 a month ($73 a day, around $20,000 a year). Our daycare isn’t particularly fancy - the food isn’t organic (gasp!) - but it is registered, clean, the staff are great, and our daughter loves it.
 
Then pay for it. Be a man, be a father, show an example. Rise to the occasion. Dont look for a hand out.

That's what were doing we just want it more affordable.
 
Here is SoCal, the LA Unified School District, and some local cities, provide meals, 7 days a week to kids. Now I understand nobody wants to see anyone starve, but it's getting to the point where the parents are only needed to provide the child, and from that point on, the rest will be handled by the government.

There is something very, very warped about that.

:agree: Since they give children backpacks of food on Friday so they have something to eat on the weekends, what are the food stamps being used for these days? And how do they justify doing it, other than to appeal to emotion..."it's for the children"? :shock:.
 
:agree: Since they give children backpacks of food on Friday so they have something to eat on the weekends, what are the food stamps being used for these days? And how do they justify doing it, other than to appeal to emotion..."it's for the children"? :shock:.

The liberal disease is always "appealing to emotion". They tend to be fiscally irresponsible and uneducated, and think that the government is a giant blank check, existing only to right the world's infinite wrongs - regardless of whose fault they are to begin with.

Real solutions that are tough are never the answer. They're not..."fair". Another word that exists as nothing more than an emotional plea, devoid of logic and rationale.
 
I want my rent to be more affordable. I really want a boat. A new one.
You are confusing wants with needs.

First one can be helped the second unless you live on an island no it is not need but we do need affordable housing.
 
First one can be helped the second unless you live on an island no it is not need but we do need affordable housing.
No, you need housing you can afford. You afford it by looking at the bank account and finding what you can afford. If its not in a neighborhood you like, get a second job.
My father retired for 20 hard years in the DC PD. What did he do after retirement? Got a job. He was a master carpenter so he was lucky to only work when he wanted to or felt he needed to. But he worked.
And it was not demeaning to have to work. Its what men do.
 
No, you need housing you can afford. You afford it by looking at the bank account and finding what you can afford. If its not in a neighborhood you like, get a second job.
My father retired for 20 hard years in the DC PD. What did he do after retirement? Got a job. He was a master carpenter so he was lucky to only work when he wanted to or felt he needed to. But he worked.
And it was not demeaning to have to work. Its what men do.

I don't know about the U.S. but most cities in Canada are experiencing a giant housing bubble which has inflated prices by ludicrous amounts.
 
I don't know about the U.S. but most cities in Canada are experiencing a giant housing bubble which has inflated prices by ludicrous amounts.
Happened here a few years ago. Then crashed and most people homes were valued less than what they still owed on them.
 
There is also no employment or educational opportunities either.

You can't work and go to college while living at home?

Hell, if your parents are around during the day, you can kill 3 birds with one stone, essentially wiping child care costs to 0.
 
That's what were doing we just want it more affordable.

A subsidy never makes something more affordable. It causes it to continue to be bought and sold at an unaffordable price.

For this reason, essentially, I opposed the idea of subsidizing it. I am not necessarily opposed to any and all government intervention with respect to child welfare, because that is somewhat unavoidable. I might even be more open to discussing some way for the government to provide outlays for the entire service rather than shuffle out cash directly to people for this.

First one can be helped the second unless you live on an island no it is not need but we do need affordable housing.

Needs are irrelevant to this discussion. The discussion is about for what federal and state governments should subsidize, not identifying what some people allegedly need.
 
Happened here a few years ago. Then crashed and most people homes were valued less than what they still owed on them.

You took down the world economy in the process. We're trying to prevent the economy form going down with it.
 
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You can't work and go to college while living at home?

Hell, if your parents are around during the day, you can kill 3 birds with one stone, essentially wiping child care costs to 0.

Well that those things don't exist around you would have to commute for hours upon hours. I'm also not living at home I'd rather provide for myself and have a wife who provides a second income. It might work for some but not anyone who has any sort of ambition.
 
Well that those things don't exist around you would have to commute for hours upon hours. I'm also not living at home I'd rather provide for myself and have a wife who provides a second income. It might work for some but not anyone who has any sort of ambition.

So you want a subsidy for having kids you can't afford, yet you'd "rather provide for yourself".

You have no idea how badly I want to kick you in the nuts right now.
 
You took down the world economy in the process. We're trying to prevent the economy form going down with it.
But you want other people to pay for your kids day care.
The worlds economy is not our doing by the way.
Our housing market did not make Greece, France, Italy go damn near belly up.
 
Well that those things don't exist around you would have to commute for hours upon hours. I'm also not living at home I'd rather provide for myself and have a wife who provides a second income. It might work for some but not anyone who has any sort of ambition.
Ambition means you are not letting anything get in the way of your goals.
You are making excuses because your government want pay out for your kids day care.
YOU and your wife had the kids? Correct? How is it anyone elses job to pay for them?
 
So you want a subsidy for having kids you can't afford, yet you'd "rather provide for yourself".

You have no idea how badly I want to kick you in the nuts right now.

I'd rather have a career than be unemployed, what this is about is the fact that something even those parents who are successful in their careers and are making more money than average still can't afford daycare and something needs to be done about it.
 
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