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Should Daycare Be Subsidized

Should Daycare Be Subsidized?

  • Yes, Should Be Fixed Price (Quebec)

    Votes: 2 5.0%
  • Yes, Means-Tested (France)

    Votes: 8 20.0%
  • No, It Should Not Be Subsidized

    Votes: 30 75.0%

  • Total voters
    40
Which do you think is a better solution: giving every skateboarder free helmets and kneepads so they don't get hurt, or telling them not to perform dangerous stunts with a skateboard?

It doesn't apply. Skateboarding isn't an integral part of society like families are.
 
Can those that don't have/want any kids get some love? We already subsidize the hell out of people having children. When am I going to get my "helping keep Earth's population in control" tax credit.
 
If I have to pay fer my kids and yers too
do I get a say in how you raise them kids I'm paying fer?
youm' betcha Red Ryder
 
Oh, I was just using Somalia as an example because it's been called a Libertarian paradise in the past.

That's nonsense of which you should not partake.
 
No why the **** should my wife or I have to work in a factory just to take care of a child, it benefits you and society to have both of us working in well paying and educated jobs and having subsidized daycare than to have one of us work in a degrading job.

Because we don't want to pay for your kids.

That's why.
 
Do you not want white-collar workers? If even the most well payed can't afford it then you have an issue.

I'm a white-collar worker. There's no lack of me out there that are more than willing to not have kids, or wait until we're prepared to do so.

However, the underlying point is that I'm calling bullcrap on the people you claim are unable to afford day care.

It doesn't apply. Skateboarding isn't an integral part of society like families are.

So is eating. Should all food be free?
 
Can those that don't have/want any kids get some love? We already subsidize the hell out of people having children. When am I going to get my "helping keep Earth's population in control" tax credit.

Did someone hack your account? I never expected you to take this position.
 
Free? No, probably not. Subsidized to some extent? Yes.

Okay, how about cosmetic surgery? Should that be subsidized? Say I wanted to shave a little extra off my nose to make it more round.

Being more presentable could help me get a job, therefore I think it should be subsidized.
 
Did someone hack your account? I never expected you to take this position.
Ha! I'm down with helping future generations but jeez...there's got to be some limit. The majority of my state taxes goes to funding school for 13 years including early start programs.

There are SOME sacrifices parents need to make based on having a child.
 
Because we don't want to pay for your kids.

That's why.

You pay for their education because it benefits you. You gain an advantage from living in a country with a well educated populace.
 
If Day Care is subsidized, then it comes under the influence of the government. That means eventually the government will be have oversight into the whole concept. While daycare is a challenging proposition, it seems to me, the last thing we need is government influence on our children at an even earlier age.

"It takes a village" will resonate with a lot of people, because it will become another "freebie" that they will no longer have to pay for. And they may not understand what that means, since it's become almost commonplace for some to expect the government to take care of them and their families these days! Sad... :wow:
 
Can those that don't have/want any kids get some love? We already subsidize the hell out of people having children. When am I going to get my "helping keep Earth's population in control" tax credit.

Never. We're expected to just shut up and pay for the mistakes of breeders who can't even afford to support themselves, let alone the 3-6 children they squeeze out because they never heard of this new thing called pulling out.
 
Ha! I'm down with helping future generations but jeez...there's got to be some limit. The majority of my state taxes goes to funding school for 13 years including early start programs.

There are SOME sacrifices parents need to make based on having a child.

I agree, and I agree. I support the Pell Grant and some other methods of helping to increase education, as it creates a net positive for society. Encouraging people to have kids they can't afford, however, I can't get on board with.
 
Okay, how about cosmetic surgery? Should that be subsidized? Say I wanted to shave a little extra off my nose to make it more round.

Being more presentable could help me get a job, therefore I think it should be subsidized.

Nope, it shouldn't. Physicists should be read, not seen, anyways (just a guess based on your info).
 
You pay for their education because it benefits you. You gain an advantage from living in a country with a well educated populace.

No, I pay for your kids' education because I'm forced to by law.

I would gladly stop paying for it if I could.

I paid for your education too and you can't even figure out a way to raise your kids without help from me. With the rate you're going I'm going to end up paying for your grand children too. When exactly do I see any benefit from this arrangement?
 
Don't know if someone had this idea but what about having
Welfare receipients do some baby sitting? The govt seems to
have enough help that someone could supervise at the city hall.

I'm thinking that workfare might help with some of our problems.:twocents:
 
"It takes a village" will resonate with a lot of people, because it will become another "freebie" that they will no longer have to pay for. And they may not understand what that means, since it's become almost commonplace for some to expect the government to take care of them and their families these days! Sad... :wow:

Here is SoCal, the LA Unified School District, and some local cities, provide meals, 7 days a week to kids. Now I understand nobody wants to see anyone starve, but it's getting to the point where the parents are only needed to provide the child, and from that point on, the rest will be handled by the government.

There is something very, very warped about that.
 
Nope, it shouldn't. Physicists should be read, not seen, anyways (just a guess based on your info).

In that case, can you make a copy of the "Liberal Rules For Spending Other People's Money" and give it to me, so I don't have to keep asking and guessing?

I can make a case for many wasteful ideas because they could "create some benefit, especially to society". They're just as irresponsible as the day care idea, but I'd just wonder which ones are "thumbs up" and which are "thumbs down".

You keep trying to reduce the symptoms. I'll try to cure the disease.
 
No why the **** should my wife or I have to work in a factory just to take care of a child, it benefits you and society to have both of us working in well paying and educated jobs and having subsidized daycare than to have one of us work in a degrading job.

There is your answer. If you find your job "degrading" man up and get a better one.
Gimmie gimmie gimmie, hey pal. Go out and work for it like I did.
 
I'm sorry if I offended you. The comment was not really intended to be a commentary on Somalia as it is today.

I'm not offended. I'm merely pointing out how, with a single sentence, one can remove all political credibility. You see, the statement ~"Somalia is a libertarian paradise" glaringly displays ignorance:

1. Libertarian =/= anarchist.
2. Somalia was ruled by the totalitarian terrorist group Al Shabaab.
3. Somalia is currenly the recipient of one of the largest international entitlement programs in existence.

Now, consider how those two things render the statement, upon which you relied, meaningless and confused at best. Spewing ignorance in regard to both political ideology and current geopolitics is rather unbecoming. That you would base this fail on an obviously deeply flawed ~"saying" only makes the statement that much more pathetic; the only thing worse than a parrot is an ignorant parrot.
 
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There is your answer. If you find your job "degrading" man up and get a better one.
Gimmie gimmie gimmie, hey pal. Go out and work for it like I did.

Exactly too bad getting a better one requires most families to put their child in daycare.
 
Should we subsidize the cost of daycare? I was reading a Globe and Mail article (which I can't link to because of the 10 article limit) which talked about the cost of daycare. It was talking about how daycare can cost you 20,000$+ a year thus being a big hit to new families even those making 100,000$+. The couple in the article from Toronto said they spend 13$/day on daycare (fully licensed, nothing fancy daycare) for their child while parents in Quebec can register at government subsidized daycares for 7$/day and there is a waiting list. In France they subsidize daycare and it is means-tested with the lowest price being 50 cents and the highest I think was 13 euros, a day of course. I personally support subsidized daycare as it enables both parents to have successful careers but it is expensive and hard on even the most successful new families, it is not a case of parents that need to make more money or wait but it is just unaffordable and the price needs to be brought down. It also has the benefit of encouraging parents to have more children because they can afford to especially in Quebec where immigration is a problem. I support means-testing as it enables everyone to afford daycare and it avoids waiting lists but Quebec is a nice compromise between the two.
I am a bit confused with the story, They mention day care costing over $20,000 a year,
but the example has a couple paying $13 a day.
So $13 a day X days a week X 52 weeks a year = $3380, or about $281 per month.
This is quite a bit different than the $1600 a month it would take to get to $20,000 per year.
 
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