View Poll Results: Should Daycare Be Subsidized?

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  • Yes, Should Be Fixed Price (Quebec)

    3 5.77%
  • Yes, Means-Tested (France)

    9 17.31%
  • No, It Should Not Be Subsidized

    40 76.92%
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    Re: Should Daycare Be Subsidized

    Quote Originally Posted by 0bserver92 View Post
    In what world does that apply? Do you know how businesses work or no. Usually things like finance and engineering firms have the same hours and you usually work the entire day please tell me how you stagger your hours so someone always home.
    There are plenty of businesses that operate at night and if yours doesn't then you can always find another job or figure out another solution.

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    Re: Should Daycare Be Subsidized

    Quote Originally Posted by afr0byte View Post
    See, I think there's a disconnect between your thinking and what Observer92 is suggesting. I don't believe he's suggesting people have kids and then ask for help later. He's talking about a policy for future parents going forward as an attempt (which you probably disagree with, whatever) to improve society.
    A policy for future parents to have kids they can't afford? Yes, I think he's talking about that too.

    A better policy would be to crack the whip and tell people that their mistakes are not costing taxpayers, and to err at their own peril.

    You'll never convince me that irresponsibility, and throwing money away that encourages it as opposed to dissuading it, is "improving society".

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    Re: Should Daycare Be Subsidized

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    A libertarian is the most vocal advocate for personal responsibility. Having kids you cannot afford is the pinnacle of personal irresponsibility. I don't know how you could connect the dots between libertarianism and almost any subsidy.

    Okay, and Quebec has a high average income. How do they compare to other provinces in taxation?

    If you just keep reabsorbing and reabsorbing for the purpose of socialist distribution, you can solve many problems. All it costs is your identity, aspirations, and self-respect.
    Quebec has the highest taxes in North America but has one of the lowest costs of living though the taxes are comparable to provinces like Ontario, B.C., or the Maritimes. Alberta and Saskatchewan, the low tax provinces are starting to catch up aswell because they realize they need mor money and can get more money.
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    Re: Should Daycare Be Subsidized

    To those who say: I want my free stuff
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    If you don't eat your meat you cant have any pudding!

    “The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.”

    Why even ask these questions anymore? why place any limitations on what your fellow man is supposed to provide to you?
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    Re: Should Daycare Be Subsidized

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    A policy for future parents to have kids they can't afford? Yes, I think he's talking about that too.

    A better policy would be to crack the whip and tell people that their mistakes are not costing taxpayers, and to err at their own peril.

    You'll never convince me that irresponsibility, and throwing money away that encourages it as opposed to dissuading it, is "improving society".
    You still don't seem to get it. He's not talking about mistakes. His scenario would make it possible for two parents to work instead of just one.

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    Re: Should Daycare Be Subsidized

    Quote Originally Posted by afr0byte View Post
    You still don't seem to get it. He's not talking about mistakes. His scenario would make it possible for two parents to work instead of just one.
    No, YOU don't seem to get it. Know what else would make it possible for two people to work instead of just one? Three guesses.

    You're offering a pound of cure. I'm offering an ounce of prevention.

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    Re: Should Daycare Be Subsidized

    Quote Originally Posted by 0bserver92 View Post
    Should we subsidize the cost of daycare? I was reading a Globe and Mail article (which I can't link to because of the 10 article limit) which talked about the cost of daycare. It was talking about how daycare can cost you 20,000$+ a year thus being a big hit to new families even those making 100,000$+. The couple in the article from Toronto said they spend 13$/day on daycare (fully licensed, nothing fancy daycare) for their child while parents in Quebec can register at government subsidized daycares for 7$/day and there is a waiting list. In France they subsidize daycare and it is means-tested with the lowest price being 50 cents and the highest I think was 13 euros, a day of course. I personally support subsidized daycare as it enables both parents to have successful careers but it is expensive and hard on even the most successful new families, it is not a case of parents that need to make more money or wait but it is just unaffordable and the price needs to be brought down. It also has the benefit of encouraging parents to have more children because they can afford to especially in Quebec where immigration is a problem. I support means-testing as it enables everyone to afford daycare and it avoids waiting lists but Quebec is a nice compromise between the two.
    Daycare is an important instrument in the success of the Nordic Model... Allows for fluid transition in the workplace. Giving families and women in particular a stabilizer which allows for a more expeditious return to the workforce.

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    Re: Should Daycare Be Subsidized

    No. It should NOT be subsidized. That's why children have TWO parents - so one can work and the other can raise the child.

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    Re: Should Daycare Be Subsidized

    Quote Originally Posted by Dapper Andy View Post
    There are plenty of businesses that operate at night and if yours doesn't then you can always find another job or figure out another solution.
    I don't think you understand unless you work in a factory or McDonald's you can't work at night or have different shifts.

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    Re: Should Daycare Be Subsidized

    Quote Originally Posted by 0bserver92 View Post
    I don't think you understand unless you work in a factory or McDonald's you can't work at night or have different shifts.

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