View Poll Results: Should Daycare Be Subsidized?

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  • Yes, Should Be Fixed Price (Quebec)

    3 5.77%
  • Yes, Means-Tested (France)

    9 17.31%
  • No, It Should Not Be Subsidized

    40 76.92%
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    Re: Should Daycare Be Subsidized

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Children you can't afford IS A WANT. If you want to get back to work, go to work. Don't have kids when you're not fiscally prepared.

    The money saved from THAT would be even greater, and wouldn't help us slowly erode to a nanny state.

    Seriously, don't you dare preach to me about fiscal responsibility as a) a socialist, and b) someone who wants to subsidize irresponsible behavior.
    So only wealthy people are allowed to have children? Do you really think that's a realistic solution?
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    Re: Should Daycare Be Subsidized

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    This is one of those things that I'm extremely sympathetic to but very wary of. I have two friends who had mistakes and are now parents at a very young age. It makes it extremely difficult for them to continue with school, hold a job, and build a better future for themselves and their family. In principle I think an extremely targeted program even if its just at a state level would be helpful to people like him and would end up benefiting us all in the long run because of his increased earning power, job prospects, and educational attainment. But these programs are ruined because they never stay narrow. The band of inclusion grows and grows and a multi-million dollar program becomes a multi-billion dollar program which is no longer a limited piece of assistance to those who need it, but a core entitlement which cannot be shorn or reformed.
    I have always seen this as the bullet that kills social programs; ****ty oversight. Some human beings will always find ways to take advantage of the generosity (which I consider social programs to be in part) of others. Seems like the programs don't evolve efficiently like they do not take the realities of human nature into account.

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    Re: Should Daycare Be Subsidized

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    You think the problem is a lack of subsidized day care facilities that charge 7 dollars a day. I think the problem is that there are too many people needing day care facilities that cost 7 dollars a day.

    I want personal responsibility. You want a taxpayer life raft.
    No it isn't I thought a Libertarian would understand the daycares are as good as private ones because they are and they are just cheaper. Quebec is not a low-income province they have one of the highest average incomes in Canada mainly due to it's economy.

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    Re: Should Daycare Be Subsidized

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr X View Post
    So only wealthy people are allowed to have children? Do you really think that's a realistic solution?
    Well, first of all there's a little bit of a gap between "unable to have kids" and "wealthy". Middle class families can easily afford children.

    Also, as a social Darwinist, I'd love it if procreation was restricted to the wealthy. Crime would go down, IQ would go up, many subsidizes would be unnecessary, Affirmative Action could be lifted, and a number of other positive externalities would come about.

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    Re: Should Daycare Be Subsidized

    At this time I voted no it should not be subsidized.
    I might change my mind if the tax laws were changed to where everyone no matter what income paid a tax that went towards the day care.

    As it stands now, don't we have about 50% who pay no income tax.

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    Re: Should Daycare Be Subsidized

    Quote Originally Posted by 0bserver92 View Post
    No it isn't I thought a Libertarian would understand the daycares are as good as private ones because they are and they are just cheaper. Quebec is not a low-income province they have one of the highest average incomes in Canada mainly due to it's economy.
    A libertarian is the most vocal advocate for personal responsibility. Having kids you cannot afford is the pinnacle of personal irresponsibility. I don't know how you could connect the dots between libertarianism and almost any subsidy.

    Okay, and Quebec has a high average income. How do they compare to other provinces in taxation?

    If you just keep reabsorbing and reabsorbing for the purpose of socialist distribution, you can solve many problems. All it costs is your identity, aspirations, and self-respect.

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    Re: Should Daycare Be Subsidized

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    A libertarian is the most vocal advocate for personal responsibility. Having kids you cannot afford is the pinnacle of personal irresponsibility. I don't know how you could connect the dots between libertarianism and almost any subsidy.

    Okay, and Quebec has a high average income. How do they compare to other provinces in taxation?

    If you just keep reabsorbing and reabsorbing for the purpose of socialist distribution, you can solve many problems. All it costs is your identity, aspirations, and self-respect.
    See, I think there's a disconnect between your thinking and what Observer92 is suggesting. I don't believe he's suggesting people have kids and then ask for help later. He's talking about a policy for future parents going forward as an attempt (which you probably disagree with, whatever) to improve society.

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    Re: Should Daycare Be Subsidized

    Quote Originally Posted by Dapper Andy View Post
    You and your spouse can just as easily work different hours so someone is always home with the kids.
    In what world does that apply? Do you know how businesses work or no. Usually things like finance and engineering firms have the same hours and you usually work the entire day please tell me how you stagger your hours so someone always home.

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    Re: Should Daycare Be Subsidized

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    At this time I voted no it should not be subsidized.
    I might change my mind if the tax laws were changed to where everyone no matter what income paid a tax that went towards the day care.

    As it stands now, don't we have about 50% who pay no income tax.
    Keep in mind that no income tax != no taxes.

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    Re: Should Daycare Be Subsidized

    Quote Originally Posted by 0bserver92 View Post
    In what world does that apply? Do you know how businesses work or no. Usually things like finance and engineering firms have the same hours and you usually work the entire day please tell me how you stagger your hours so someone always home.
    Also, why would we want to live in a world where we resort to that when we don't have to?

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