View Poll Results: Should Daycare Be Subsidized?

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  • Yes, Should Be Fixed Price (Quebec)

    3 5.77%
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  • No, It Should Not Be Subsidized

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    Re: Should Daycare Be Subsidized

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Christ, another socialist. I'm done trying to argue.
    No it actually does that is why there is a waiting list because there are not enough 7$/day daycares. 7$ is much better than what other daycares can offer so there is a lot of people who want it.

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    Re: Should Daycare Be Subsidized

    Quote Originally Posted by afr0byte View Post
    I'd imagine that $100k is pre-tax. Post-tax they probably net like $60K. If they're in an area where daycare is $20K, then housing is probably quite expensive too.
    In the article the couple was married so that brings down the rate but yes they live in Toronto (where most people like them live) which is the second most expensive city in Canada after Vancouver. Quebec is the cheapest place to live, Montreal specifically I believe.

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    Re: Should Daycare Be Subsidized

    Quote Originally Posted by afr0byte View Post
    I'd imagine that $100k is pre-tax. Post-tax they probably net like $60K. If they're in an area where daycare is $20K, then housing is probably quite expensive too.
    That doesn't change my point.

    If the expense is important to the couple, they can cut back on something else or move to a different area. The government has no place stepping in in a case like this.

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    Re: Should Daycare Be Subsidized

    Quote Originally Posted by Ray410 View Post
    I always envied those with many brothers and sisters and I always wanted a huge family, but I could only afford to have two children. So that was it for my family. Yesterday at the grocery, I saw a Hispanic family with six small children. Six. That, to me, is extremely irresponsible and I don't want to pay for them, particularly when I myself only had what I could afford.

    I don't understand this sort of irresponsibility. Who did they think was going to support all of those children?

    The Zimmerman juror that started whining about her decision had eight children. Who the Hell pays for all those children?

    B-29 — A black/Hispanic woman, as described by prosecutor Bernie de la Rionda. She moved to Florida from Chicago four months before the trial began. She has been married for 10 years, and has eight children. Her oldest son is 20. Meet the all-women jury in the George Zimmerman trial | News 13

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    Re: Should Daycare Be Subsidized

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    If the couple thinks the $20,000 expense for somebody else to care for their children is an important expense, they will spend it.

    Why would anybody help them make that decision? What is that couple doing with the other $80,000 they are making?

    You are saying people that are making $100,000 per year is not enough to live without help from the government.

    That sounds crazy to me.
    Housing probably because in Canada where there is jobs housing is very expensive except Quebec where is there is plenty of jobs you just have to speak French. Vancouver, Toronto, and Edmonton/Calgary are the most expensive places to live with rent averaging 1200$/month for 1 bedroom.

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    Re: Should Daycare Be Subsidized

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Well, there's 2. Hey 0bserver, can you make a poll that asks if we should get subsidized Ferraris? I mean, if you're advocating for the government to dish out for everyone's wants, I consider it valid.
    Be serious: This isn't a want, it allows people to get back into work. The money saved from the reduced welfare bill would be greater than the cost of the subsidy. This benefits the taxpayer.

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    Re: Should Daycare Be Subsidized

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    That doesn't change my point.

    If the expense is important to the couple, they can cut back on something else or move to a different area. The government has no place stepping in in a case like this.
    Moving to a different area probably wouldn't help, I'd imagine. If daycare is cheaper than their earnings are probably less too.

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    Re: Should Daycare Be Subsidized

    Quote Originally Posted by 0bserver92 View Post
    No it actually does that is why there is a waiting list because there are not enough 7$/day daycares. 7$ is much better than what other daycares can offer so there is a lot of people who want it.
    You think the problem is a lack of subsidized day care facilities that charge 7 dollars a day. I think the problem is that there are too many people needing day care facilities that cost 7 dollars a day.

    I want personal responsibility. You want a taxpayer life raft.

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    Re: Should Daycare Be Subsidized

    Quote Originally Posted by 0bserver92 View Post
    When 20,000$+ a year is not a big deal is when couples have very major issues with fertility and there is a fairly good chance they won't. That or spend so much money trying to get pregnant they can't afford daycare anymore.
    So what?

    The NYTimes puts the average cost substantially lower but you don't have to have children anymore than you have to put them in daycare. If you can't afford it then you can't afford it. It's not like the average family has to go far to find the $143.00 a week to pay for childcare. Right off the bat, how much do you personally pay for smartphones, cable tv, and internet?

    But who says you have to give up anything?

    You and your spouse can just as easily work different hours so someone is always home with the kids.
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    Re: Should Daycare Be Subsidized

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr X View Post
    Be serious: This isn't a want, it allows people to get back into work. The money saved from the reduced welfare bill would be greater than the cost of the subsidy. This benefits the taxpayer.
    Children you can't afford IS A WANT. If you want to get back to work, go to work. Don't have kids when you're not fiscally prepared.

    The money saved from THAT would be even greater, and wouldn't help us slowly erode to a nanny state.

    Seriously, don't you dare preach to me about fiscal responsibility as a) a socialist, and b) someone who wants to subsidize irresponsible behavior.

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