View Poll Results: Should Daycare Be Subsidized?

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  • Yes, Should Be Fixed Price (Quebec)

    3 5.77%
  • Yes, Means-Tested (France)

    9 17.31%
  • No, It Should Not Be Subsidized

    40 76.92%
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    Re: Should Daycare Be Subsidized

    Quote Originally Posted by soot View Post
    Along those lines, it only makes sense to only start having kids after you've completed a graduate degree, established yourself in a career, own your home, etc...
    no No NO you people need to STOP with this responsible behavior crap, it's that type of lifestyle that could ruin our friends vision of a Socialist Utopia.

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    Re: Should Daycare Be Subsidized

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    No, it is a truthful one. People are going to be irrepsonsible, so what is your solution to that? My question stands, if you are unable or unwilling to answer it that is your problem not mine.
    People are going to be irresponsible because we do everything to eliminate repercussions for that stupidity and irresponsibility. We teach our kids that every bad pencil smudge has a quick eraser.

    If we have real, serious, and measurable consequences for the most egregious mistakes, you'll find a reduction in those mistakes. We'd have less gun crime if they allowed the death penalty to be a real deterrent.

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    Re: Should Daycare Be Subsidized

    Quote Originally Posted by tech30528 View Post
    It is if you have bought in to the current narrative that the nuclear family is outdated. There are important reasons for this structure. There is teamwork for the good of the household. One works, one can stay home. I don't even care which does what. Maybe one full time and one part time job in order to juggle childcare responsibilities. It also develops more balanced kids who are raised with a father and a mother seeing them work together for a common cause. It's all about priorities. When you have kids you are no longer the most important person in your life. You may work a job you don't especially like in order to feed your kids. Parents (not sperm donors) care more about the wellbeing of their kids than of their own. If this is a foreign concept to you then you have either bought in to the nanny state mentality, your parents have utterly failed as parents, or both.
    I always marvelled at the way my parents acted as I grew up with my four, and then three, brothers. Everything they did, virtually every penny they made and spent, was earned and used to provide things for me and my brothers. I remember clearly that my mother stayed home, looked after the kids and the house, did all the finances, and when we got a little older she worked part time in a bank and then a pharmacy - my mom was one very smart, savvy cookie. My dad, on the other hand, was pretty simple - went to work every day and came home and played with the kids and did odd jobs around the house. He got an allowance of $5 every week to buy a coffee at work and a pack of cigarettes for the week. Any entertainment was based around the kids - enrolment in sports for the kids, going to the movies with the kids, etc. My parents never went out just by themselves and left us with a sitter or me with my older brothers. And they never took vacations themselves, always just the yearly family vacation at the cottage or a car trip of some sort, nothing elaborate.

    They had fun and "partied" when they were single and dating, but were generally of that class of people that grew up responsible for themselves because back then no one looked out for you if you didn't look out for yourself. And nobody who wasn't married had kids, unless a husband or wife died prematurely, and then church groups and friends helped out those left behind. And once married and when kids started popping out, well, your life changed because now you had even more responsibilities and your child/children was number one on that list and God help the poor sod who didn't take raising a child seriously - they'd be ostracized.

    I had great teachers in the lessons of responsible living and life. My generation, I'm sad to say, has failed our children in many respects because we had it so good and we could provide so much more to our children and we've spoiled them.

    Today, it's the hedonistic me-now generation that believes they're entitled to have it all - fresh out of school, they deserve the six figure salary - get married, don't let it cramp your free lifestyle - have kids, let the government provide because I'm damn sure not gonna give up next year's Lexus for the snotty nosed brat.

    I don't know if we ever get out of it, but the best way to start is to pull our kids off the teat and throw them out to the wilds on their own to fend for themselves and start learning how to live responsible lives.
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    Re: Should Daycare Be Subsidized

    Quote Originally Posted by AngryOldGuy View Post
    so lemme get this straight tech30528, because of this wacked out life philosophy you've got, you are not only able to take care of your own family, but the adult children of another family & (are you serious?) the father of the other family? (whew did I get that right?)
    see I knew I was right, gawd only knows where things like this would lead. Before you knew it the government gravy train wouldn't have any riders. Don't tell me you go to church on Sundays too
    Taking care of my son and staying married by having my own shortcomings pointed out and having the ability to fix them, yes.

    Providing a home and assistance to my wife's father to get him thru a tough medical condition and the depression that came with it to the point that he is now not only self sufficient but taking care of his own family again, yes.

    Taking in my stepson who's own father failed him and helping him fill in the gaps and move forward, yes.

    4 years ago I was unable to do any of this, had a new business on the verge of failure every day, a wife in school and losing a home to foreclosure. Lost the house, stuck with the business, wife finished school, paid off all of our debt and no longer have or want credit cards or car payments. Business is up and running and we are helping other family members turn their lives around too. Conservative values instilled by previous generations and the ability to face our own shortcomings... still working every time it is tried.

    BTW our government does not support any of this. If you are self employed (a business owner) you are not eligible for assistance programs. No welfare, no food stamps, no unemployment benefits. Speaks volumes, doesn't it? Government prefers dependent voters no matter what they say about providing a hand up. The intent is to build dependency and become a good little cog in the machine. **** that. I was taught better. I'm teaching better.
    Last edited by tech30528; 08-13-13 at 01:32 PM.

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    Re: Should Daycare Be Subsidized

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    By the same token, if you reward something does that not encourage it?
    That's why I am for reform, limits, etc. It won't reward them, but help them.

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    Re: Should Daycare Be Subsidized

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    That's why I am for reform, limits, etc. It won't reward them, but help them.
    Obama has been busy removing as many limits as possible. Buying votes using other people's money is very politically popular.

    EDIT: How about this limit: no qualification, other than exclusion for having used your benefit in the past, is needed at all; every US citizen can get 3x the federal poverty level, in cash, at anytime in their adult life that they should request it.
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    Re: Should Daycare Be Subsidized

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    That's why I am for reform, limits, etc. It won't reward them, but help them.
    You're speaking out of both sides of your mouth. Your plans just rob Peter to pay Paul. Shuffling money around does nothing.

    You're not proposing anything other than a shift of blame, ending in the same result.

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    Re: Should Daycare Be Subsidized

    "They [socialists] always run out of other people's money."
    Perhaps it never dawned on her that one day we'd elect a regime that had no compunction whatsoever?
    That could indeed think it had an unlimited supply by increasing the debt by six trillion, creating 85 billion a month from thin air
    and somehow getting away with stupendous tax increases during an economic depression?
    While we consider the efficacy of government subsidized daycare in Quebec.
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    Re: Should Daycare Be Subsidized

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    You're speaking out of both sides of your mouth. Your plans just rob Peter to pay Paul. Shuffling money around does nothing.

    You're not proposing anything other than a shift of blame, ending in the same result.
    A society is only as great as it treats its poor. My way will give people a hand up and not a hand out if limits are put into place as well as education for retraining.

    You are for removing ALL safety nets for people. Your plan increases the poverty rate and crime rate ending in more money spent for prisons, etc.

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    Re: Should Daycare Be Subsidized

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Obama has been busy removing as many limits as possible. Buying votes using other people's money is very politically popular.

    EDIT: How about this limit: no qualification, other than exclusion for having used your benefit in the past, is needed at all; every US citizen can get 3x the federal poverty level, in cash, at anytime in their adult life that they should request it.
    The problem with that is that it doesn't solve the problem of keeping people OFF welfare. To do that you need a retraining program and possibly daycare during that time.

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