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  • Yes, Means-Tested (France)

    9 17.31%
  • No, It Should Not Be Subsidized

    40 76.92%
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    Re: Should Daycare Be Subsidized

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Again, you are living in fantasy land. There are problems NOW that need to be solved, you are acting like there are no problems now.
    There are problems now brought about by irresponsibility. There is a point at which society has to say, enough is enough and force responsibility on everyone, no matter how many people are potentially harmed by their own doing. We're not acting like there are no problems, we just don't care. We didn't cause the problems, you seem to want us to pay for them.

    Hell no.
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    Re: Should Daycare Be Subsidized

    I think people should "earn" their welfare by watching these kids at daycare centers so that other welfare parents can get their ass to work and stop using their kids, and the cost of childcare, as an excuse to not bother.

    But that's just me.

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    Re: Should Daycare Be Subsidized

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Sure you are you are forcing them on the streets. You can cry absitnence all you want, it won't happen. You can choose to believe people won't have children, that's a fantasy. So you have to deal with the reality people WILL have children they can't afford. So do you want to increase the crime rate with a removal of all subisidies?
    This is essentially the "stupid people are stupid" argument, where you demand that we need to take care of stupid people because they are incapable of being anything but stupid, but this is a self-defeating argument. The reason so many people are stupid today is because we've allowed this nation to become so absurdly liberalized that everyone expects freebies from the government, they've abrogated personal responsibility and now, several generations in, lots of people are entirely unaware that there's any such thing.

    It's time to teach people otherwise. Americans used to be more responsible. The people haven't changed, it's the government and society that has. They can change back. Liberalism is an abject failure.
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    Re: Should Daycare Be Subsidized

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    I think people should "earn" their welfare by watching these kids at daycare centers so that other welfare parents can get their ass to work and stop using their kids, and the cost of childcare, as an excuse to not bother.

    But that's just me.
    They already have that, some welfare mothers do get paid to watch each other's kids but it's a scam. They're getting paid to do things they ought to be doing for themselves and the mothers whose kids are being watched aren't working, they're just sitting home on the couch.
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    Re: Should Daycare Be Subsidized

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    I commend you for your actions, but you should be well versed enough to know that not everyone is you and your wife. Sometimes the reasons people get married in the first place are not good ones. Without a good foundation, you and your wife would not have been able to work things out. Many times people simply do not have good foundations to work on a marriage.

    Yes, things have changed.
    I'm well aware of that. My wife married young the first time and it didn't work out. Her two kids from that marriage are paying for it now. The younger (18) is an emotionally stunted vidiot who will likely never be able to support himself. The older (21) just moved in with us a week ago. He will be living with us for next couple of years (probably) while he goes to school, and I require he hold a part time job in order to stay with us. Our son is doing well.

    So I didn't give up on our marriage and son, and am in the process of repairing her oldest who was done no favors by his father. It's progress. Last year her father lived with us for almost a year while we helped him straighten out some issues and get him on track with his health issues. He is out on his own again and taking care of his own kids (long story, second family). So it can be done. It isn't always easy, but it certainly isn't as difficult as I thought it would be either. If we looked to our families to help us when we needed help we might not have to depend on government to do it.

    And we are not that special. Anyone can do this. You have to want to and have the tenacity to see it thru.

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    Re: Should Daycare Be Subsidized

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    This is essentially the "stupid people are stupid" argument, where you demand that we need to take care of stupid people because they are incapable of being anything but stupid, but this is a self-defeating argument. The reason so many people are stupid today is because we've allowed this nation to become so absurdly liberalized that everyone expects freebies from the government, they've abrogated personal responsibility and now, several generations in, lots of people are entirely unaware that there's any such thing.

    It's time to teach people otherwise. Americans used to be more responsible. The people haven't changed, it's the government and society that has. They can change back. Liberalism is an abject failure.
    We, as a society, have now reached the point where the "reward for stupidity" exceeds that able to be obtained by working a full time job at the minimum wage.
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    Re: Should Daycare Be Subsidized

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    I think people should "earn" their welfare by watching these kids at daycare centers so that other welfare parents can get their ass to work and stop using their kids, and the cost of childcare, as an excuse to not bother.

    But that's just me.
    At the very least what you are suggesting keeps them on a schedule, regulating sleep and eating habits which helps ward off depression. This is the primary reason I require my stepson who is living with us to have a job. It helps him pay for his basic needs, but more importantly it gives him structure.

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    Re: Should Daycare Be Subsidized

    hah ttwtt78640 your comment reminded me of:
    Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it.
    Ronald Reagan

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    Re: Should Daycare Be Subsidized

    so lemme get this straight tech30528, because of this wacked out life philosophy you've got, you are not only able to take care of your own family, but the adult children of another family & (are you serious?) the father of the other family? (whew did I get that right?)
    see I knew I was right, gawd only knows where things like this would lead. Before you knew it the government gravy train wouldn't have any riders. Don't tell me you go to church on Sundays too

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    Re: Should Daycare Be Subsidized

    Quote Originally Posted by 0bserver92 View Post
    Like I said in the reply these are successful families in their late 20s making a fair amount of money they are not mistakes it is the time when people want children. People can't wait to their late 30s and 40s to have children.
    Why?

    My wife and I did (I was 35 and she was 32 when our first boy was born, I was 40 and she was 37 when our second boy was born, we're not going to have any more kids).

    Almost everyone I am/we are friends with fall into that same boat.

    I can count on one hand the number of couples we know who were married in their 20s, let alone having kids already.

    It doesn't make any sense to me to have kids before you're ready to provide those kids with the best life possible.

    Along those lines, it only makes sense to only start having kids after you've completed a graduate degree, established yourself in a career, own your home, etc... Obviously there are varriables to consider here. If you choose a career in the trades you're not going to need a Masters Degree, but you'd probably want to be in a postion where you're able to open your own business or are working in a supervisory capacity before you take the plunge where kids are concerned.
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