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    9 17.31%
  • No, It Should Not Be Subsidized

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    Re: Should Daycare Be Subsidized

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    I addressed it by saying those people had welfare. Again you need to actually READ. It's not that hard.
    No, they didn't. Welfare is very new too. You really are extremely shortsighted.

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    Re: Should Daycare Be Subsidized

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Prisons are cheap to build. And yes, I prefer that to endless hand outs to people that cant control themselves.
    Define subsidize as well.
    I bet we can find common ground, but I am not paying for people to sit at home.
    There has to be a clear and verified work and or job search or full time student status. BEFORE we start subsidizing.
    Not you work as the OP, but want cheaper day care.
    Heck, I want cheaper insurance, rent, gas, food. And I have been paying taxes since I was 16. Thats 34 years of taxpaying. For what? To watch my tax dollars being pissed away.
    They are not cheaper than subisidzing daycare sorry.

    I have already said welfare should have limits, but it should also address education as well.

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    Re: Should Daycare Be Subsidized

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Again, saying they SHOULDN'T have children doesn't mean they won't. You are just trying to close your eyes with your fingers in your ear yelling "LALALALA".

    Sorry, but the reality is people WILL have children they can't afford, so how do you deal with it. That's what I'm addressing.

    You are saying what SHOULD happen, I'm addressing what DOES happen.
    Reality is that certain people will be alcoholics. Should we susidize that too?

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    Re: Should Daycare Be Subsidized

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    So what is your choice force people to stay married? Force people to marry?

    Things change and things have changed. So the need to solve problems NOW not live in the past.
    Things have not changed as much as you portray. The problems did not happen overnight, and we are not at a crisis point. Nobody is being forced to marry, nor are they being forced to get pregnant. What is being ignored is that the methods used just a generation or so worked just fine. Ignoring that is just irresponsible. We almost divorced a while back, the difference is we cared more about our son than we did about our personal wants. That wasn't forced. We went to a counselor, which did us no good. We went to a different counselor who was brilliant. Turns out most of the problem was my selfishness. I took responsibility and fixed it. That wasn't forced either, and today we are much happier than we have been since we first got married. I am a father and a husband before I am a business owner, rifle instructor and CERN team leader. In other words, I paid a stranger to tell me what I was doing wrong and did what had to be done to fix it. And we are all better for it. From the outside it may not seem possible to give up part of yourself to be more complete, but it works. I would recommend it to anyone.

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    Re: Should Daycare Be Subsidized

    Quote Originally Posted by tech30528 View Post
    Things have not changed as much as you portray. The problems did not happen overnight, and we are not at a crisis point. Nobody is being forced to marry, nor are they being forced to get pregnant. What is being ignored is that the methods used just a generation or so worked just fine. Ignoring that is just irresponsible. We almost divorced a while back, the difference is we cared more about our son than we did about our personal wants. That wasn't forced. We went to a counselor, which did us no good. We went to a different counselor who was brilliant. Turns out most of the problem was my selfishness. I took responsibility and fixed it. That wasn't forced either, and today we are much happier than we have been since we first got married. I am a father and a husband before I am a business owner, rifle instructor and CERN team leader. In other words, I paid a stranger to tell me what I was doing wrong and did what had to be done to fix it. And we are all better for it. From the outside it may not seem possible to give up part of yourself to be more complete, but it works. I would recommend it to anyone.
    I commend you for your actions, but you should be well versed enough to know that not everyone is you and your wife. Sometimes the reasons people get married in the first place are not good ones. Without a good foundation, you and your wife would not have been able to work things out. Many times people simply do not have good foundations to work on a marriage.

    Yes, things have changed.

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    Re: Should Daycare Be Subsidized

    Quote Originally Posted by tech30528 View Post
    it's time to grow up.
    You couldn't be more wrong, if everyone followed you and your wife's example, for heavens sake in less than two generations the country would be awash in Conservatives that all took responsibility for their own lives and Lord only knows where that would lead!
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    Re: Should Daycare Be Subsidized

    Quote Originally Posted by 0bserver92 View Post
    That is quite possibly the worst idea I have ever heard. The only thing that will lead to is major physical and emotional abuse and serious harm.
    Really? Was that what was happening all those years when divorce was frowned upon, and when people were required to take responsibility for their children? I never knew that.
    If I stop responding it doesn't mean I've conceded the point or agree with you. It only means I've made my point and I don't mind you having the last word. Please wait a few minutes before "quoting" me. I often correct errors for a minute or two after I post before the final product is ready.

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    Re: Should Daycare Be Subsidized

    Quote Originally Posted by Artevelde View Post
    Reality is that certain people will be alcoholics. Should we susidize that too?
    I know I need a beer.
    As long as people are in ACTUAL NEED. I dont have that much issue with it.
    But like all entitlement services it would be abused.
    Full time student? OK.
    Got laid off, need to find work? OK.
    But those must be verified. Not just call someone and say "yea, I be lookin' for a job". Or "yea, I be in school".
    Job search, transcripts, class schedules.
    Not just fill out some paperwork and start collecting a check.

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    Re: Should Daycare Be Subsidized

    Quote Originally Posted by USNavySquid View Post
    What about in the case of medical condition or having non-transferable skills or being older than the desired job candidate?
    Now you're just looking for anything to squeak your case by. People need to make sure they keep their skills up to date and applicable, usually industries don't just vanish overnight with no sign beforehand, there's usually lots of notice that there are new things on the horizon and people ought to be prepared. For the others, those only speak to a small percentage of potential cases. Besides, people who are too old are unlikely to need daycare anyhow.
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    Re: Should Daycare Be Subsidized

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Again, saying they SHOULDN'T have children doesn't mean they won't. You are just trying to close your eyes with your fingers in your ear yelling "LALALALA".

    Sorry, but the reality is people WILL have children they can't afford, so how do you deal with it. That's what I'm addressing.

    You are saying what SHOULD happen, I'm addressing what DOES happen.
    By the same token, if you reward something does that not encourage it?
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