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    3 5.77%
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    9 17.31%
  • No, It Should Not Be Subsidized

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    Re: Should Daycare Be Subsidized

    Quote Originally Posted by 0bserver92 View Post
    Well like Canada John has said in Canada isn't like a babysitter who just watches 10 kids they are usually like pre-schools I guess well licensed one anyways.
    I'm aware of what daycare is. You separate the kids by age and needs. Babys, toddlers, etc. They all still require extreme supervision, divided amongst however many the legal limit allows per daycare worker. If you have kids you KNOW that's no small task just for your OWN. Babysitting your relative's kids comes close. LOL

    I know, you want cheap daycare, and then have it subsidized by everyone else. The reason? So you can go out and make more money.

    I gotta say one of my personal pet peeves is this "daycare" mentality. If you have kids, they are YOUR responsibility. Not latchkey kids, not TV kids, YOUR kids. They need at least one of you committed 24/7 to their care and growth. Pick who it is, or switch off days, but RAISE them. Geez.
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    Re: Should Daycare Be Subsidized

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Very good post, CJ! To what do you attribute the difference in thinking?
    I don't know, to be honest, but I think life in Canada was traditionally harder than life in America so people were more self-sufficient. We also have been collectively more attached to each other here because we are such a large country with such a small population so we are more receptive to working together and funding bigger projects that could not be accomplished otherwise. It's a combination of being capable of caring for ourselves and wanting to help others.
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    Re: Should Daycare Be Subsidized

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    The question pertained to individuals, not industries. I would like there to be a definitive time restriction for all individual (family) subsidies unless a person can demonstrate a physical or mental disability...
    I realize it applied to individuals, though I don't see why it matters if we're talking about subsidies being worth it/being fiscally responsible. I agree that there should be a time limit would necessarily be a bad thing. I also think there should be exceptions if people can demonstrate they were trying to, for example, find work but they couldn't.

    Btw, what are you liberal on? Most of your comments I've seen are moderate at best.

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    Re: Should Daycare Be Subsidized

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    The question pertained to individuals, not industries. I would like there to be a definitive time restriction for all individual (family) subsidies unless a person can demonstrate a physical or mental disability...
    : The growing debt will probably force changes to be made soon, but right now we seem to be headed in the opposite direction!

    Good evening, AP!

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    Re: Should Daycare Be Subsidized

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    I'm aware of what daycare is. You separate the kids by age and needs. Babys, toddlers, etc. They all still require extreme supervision, divided amongst however many the legal limit allows per daycare worker. If you have kids you KNOW that's no small task just for your OWN. Babysitting your relative's kids comes close. LOL

    I know, you want cheap daycare, and then have it subsidized by everyone else. The reason? So you can go out and make more money.

    I gotta say one of my personal pet peeves is this "daycare" mentality. If you have kids, they are YOUR responsibility. Not latchkey kids, not TV kids, YOUR kids. They need at least one of you committed 24/7 to their care and growth. Pick who it is, or switch off days, but RAISE them. Geez.
    Tough to do in a one parent household. Maybe that issue as well as many others need to be addressed...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    Re: Should Daycare Be Subsidized

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    So, we pay for health care collectively through our tax base in order to ensure all citizens are covered for basic and catastrophic care and forego other tax subsidies, like mortgage interest deductions, to cover it. We made a choice that most, if not all, Canadians are quite happy with. We also pay for supplementary health insurance to cover prescription drugs, dental care, eye care, and other services.

    Our choice to cover basic health care collectively doesn't excuse the fact far more Americans live off the work of others through a vast social welfare state not heard of here. And you won't find almost 50% of the Canadian population not paying any federal income taxes. The basic income threshhold over which federal taxes apply is about $12,000 here - what is it in the US ? 3 x's that? more?

    If you want to talk about not being financial responsible for your own life, I'd say not paying for government services and then sucking on the government teat for such services is the utmost in leeching on society.
    Canadian health care also has the benefit of leeching off of America in a "free rider" system with regard to pharmaceuticals and cutting-edge technology.

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    Re: Should Daycare Be Subsidized

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    : The growing debt will probably force changes to be made soon, but right now we seem to be headed in the opposite direction!

    Good evening, AP!
    Good evening pg...

    The debt is not the issue, it's "money" entering the private sector with no increased productive output...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    Re: Should Daycare Be Subsidized

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Canadian health care also has the benefit of leeching off of America in a "free rider" system with regard to pharmaceuticals and cutting-edge technology.
    We don't get any benefits here we don't earn through the subsidiaries of those big pharmas that set up shop here in Canada. We don't, however, allow big pharma to unreasonably benefit from extensive, long term patent protections. It's why a lot of Americans leech off the Canadian pharmas by buying their drugs here.
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    Re: Should Daycare Be Subsidized

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    We don't get any benefits here we don't earn through the subsidiaries of those big pharmas that set up shop here in Canada. We don't, however, allow big pharma to unreasonably benefit from extensive, long term patent protections. It's why a lot of Americans leech off the Canadian pharmas by buying their drugs here.
    ...drugs that have hundreds of billions in R&D spent on them in the states.

    Pharmaceuticals are to Canada what pirated DVDs are to China.

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    Re: Should Daycare Be Subsidized

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    Tough to do in a one parent household. Maybe that issue as well as many others need to be addressed...
    I agree. There should be a social recognition of the consequences and repercussions to having children. Perhaps we should have laws preventing divorce until all children have reached the age of 13; perhaps laws that require the father and mother live together and take care of their child until that age if a child is born out of wedlock...who knows? I'm no social engineer.

    At the very least one parent provides all the money and the other spends all the time raising them.

    I also mentioned acceptance of subsidized daycare for working poor and welfare recipients who prove they are actively seeking and obtaining work. But if you are "living the middle class lifestyle" or better? Having others raise your kids is shirking responsibility; IMO you need to do this yourself if you want any chance for them to grow up well-balanced.
    If I stop responding it doesn't mean I've conceded the point or agree with you. It only means I've made my point and I don't mind you having the last word. Please wait a few minutes before "quoting" me. I often correct errors for a minute or two after I post before the final product is ready.

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