View Poll Results: Should Daycare Be Subsidized?

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  • Yes, Should Be Fixed Price (Quebec)

    3 5.77%
  • Yes, Means-Tested (France)

    9 17.31%
  • No, It Should Not Be Subsidized

    40 76.92%
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    Re: Should Daycare Be Subsidized

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    No, I wasn't suggesting you did. Nor was I suggesting you needed to live and work in Toronto to be successful in Canada. There are rich economies in many other provinces in the country. Canada is by no means an unsuccessful country whose citizens are desparate for subsidized living arrangements. It's why about 250,000 are legally accepted into Canada each year - the equivalent in the US would be 2.5 million, which you're nowhere near absorbing in your economy.
    Well to be fair we do get to pick and choose our immigrants more selectively than Americans.

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    Re: Should Daycare Be Subsidized

    Quote Originally Posted by 0bserver92 View Post
    The Liberals run the province and like I said before you can't the fact most of the business is in Ontario and Toronto.
    That's essentially what I said, sorry if I wasn't clear. The point is, even if the national government is run by the conservatives, the part that you are specifically complaining about is run by the liberals.

    Maybe that's why there's a problem.
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    Re: Should Daycare Be Subsidized

    Quote Originally Posted by afr0byte View Post
    I'm all for studies in to effectiveness.
    Studies are fine, but it doesn't substitute for critical thought, because studies can't account for all the different consequences and impacts of these policies over time (way too many variables).

    The consequences of government action that puts money in people's pockets (whether via tax cuts or welfare programs or both) have upsides (economic stimulus and minor temporary upticks to people's financial situation or quality of life) and they have downsides (fostered dependence, increasing expectation of government freebies over time, deficits and debt, etc.). The benefits are almost always short-term and the costs are almost always long-term.

    Politicians (and people who are in the habit of trusting them) tend to overemphasize the short-term benefits and ignore the long-term costs, and they do this because their election or re-election will be bolstered most by short-term results.

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    Re: Should Daycare Be Subsidized

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    That's essentially what I said, sorry if I wasn't clear. The point is, even if the national government is run by the conservatives, the part that you are specifically complaining about is run by the liberals.

    Maybe that's why there's a problem.
    Your also getting confused again Canada isn't like in the U.S. in that a lot of governments services are federal not provincial/state. The federal government has all residual powers not the provinces with some exceptions in Quebec. Some of it might be federal some it might be provincial. it would probably end up being federal.
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    Re: Should Daycare Be Subsidized

    Quote Originally Posted by 0bserver92 View Post
    Well here we are proud of public education and frankly we don't like Libertarians or social Darwinists mainly both of them are anti-Canadian ideals.
    You apparently prefer big government liberals who want everything subsidized, as opposed to promoting fiscal responsibility.

    They also enjoy people who move out of their parents' home to "make it on their own", then beg for public funds.

    You're trading one mommy for another. Congratulations. Hope the government teet isn't quite as sensitive.

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    Re: Should Daycare Be Subsidized

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    I believe it. Hell, I've considered moving up there. Canada has some really good things going on...of course, this would be awful.

    You don't raise kids in Manhattan, just like you don't raise them in Toronto. NYC is a "yuppie" city. Toronto obviously is too.
    Toronto is a much more liveable city than New York, with far more safe residential areas within the city limits and large swaths of suburbs as well. Many sports figures who've been traded to Toronto teams have moved their families here and remained her after their careers ended. Toronto is also one of the most cosmopolitan cities in the world, where cultures mix easily. Like any big city, however, we do have our fair share of what you call "yuppies".
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    Re: Should Daycare Be Subsidized

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    You apparently prefer big government liberals who want everything subsidized, as opposed to promoting fiscal responsibility.

    They also enjoy people who move out of their parents' home to "make it on their own", then beg for public funds.

    You're trading one mommy for another. Congratulations. Hope the government teet isn't quite as sensitive.
    Well at least our debt is manageable unlike America.

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    Re: Should Daycare Be Subsidized

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Toronto is a much more liveable city than New York, with far more safe residential areas within the city limits and large swaths of suburbs as well. Many sports figures who've been traded to Toronto teams have moved their families here and remained her after their careers ended. Toronto is also one of the most cosmopolitan cities in the world, where cultures mix easily. Like any big city, however, we do have our fair share of what you call "yuppies".
    The cost of housing (living) is a bit ridiculous...

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    Re: Should Daycare Be Subsidized

    Quote Originally Posted by 0bserver92 View Post
    Well daycare actually benefits society as a whole as it is better to have a well educated working populace then a uneducated unemployed populace. If you subsidize daycare you get else people collecting unemployment, less welfare, less food stamps because people can work. I guess your against public education aswell.
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    Re: Should Daycare Be Subsidized

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Toronto is a much more liveable city than New York, with far more safe residential areas within the city limits and large swaths of suburbs as well. Many sports figures who've been traded to Toronto teams have moved their families here and remained her after their careers ended. Toronto is also one of the most cosmopolitan cities in the world, where cultures mix easily. Like any big city, however, we do have our fair share of what you call "yuppies".
    Don't forget our public schools are actually fine in Toronto. This is also true for most of Canada compared to the U.S. it costs more but we have a higher quality of life.

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