View Poll Results: Should Daycare Be Subsidized?

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  • Yes, Should Be Fixed Price (Quebec)

    3 5.77%
  • Yes, Means-Tested (France)

    9 17.31%
  • No, It Should Not Be Subsidized

    40 76.92%
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    Re: Should Daycare Be Subsidized

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr X View Post
    Apparently conservatives would prefer educated people be forced to stay at home collecting welfare than being helped back into work via subsidised daycare.
    Any good entrepeneur will tell you "you have to spend money to make money".

    I don't think the ideas of at least one libertarian in this thread that poor people should be forcibly sterilised in the name of social darwinism, is a viable option.
    Our problem is the exact opposite. It is because we have went above and beyond the whole thing of providing a new subsidy with every new victim you all can create. Today the victims are those who have to pay for their own daycare...tomorrow it will be something else.

    Paying people's way does not make things better. No on the contrary they become dependent on government for all their needs and most once addicted to the handouts, never take personal responsibility for their own choices. In fact all the subsidies and entitlement actually take away from people striving to be all they can. Why should they when someone else is willing to pay for it.

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    Re: Should Daycare Be Subsidized

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr X View Post
    Apparently conservatives would prefer educated people be forced to stay at home
    Forced? By whom?

    Any good entrepeneur will tell you "you have to spend money to make money".
    That's the choice that all families with young children face. No one else has an inherent responsibility to care for your children, so your option includes paying someone else to shoulder the responsibility, or fulfilling the responsibility yourself.

    I don't think the ideas of at least one libertarian in this thread that poor people should be forcibly sterilised in the name of social darwinism, is a viable option.
    Politically, it is not a viable option. But if liberals get their way and suddenly anyone and everyone can just choose to be supported, as though they too are children, then what will happen is that if the people paying the bills are left with no other options, they'll find ways to control the influx of needy dependents... even eventually by legislative reproductive control measures. It comes with the territory. If you're forced to be the guardian of another, you will ultimately and naturally seek to control its decisions (because those decisions cost YOU).

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    Re: Should Daycare Be Subsidized

    Quote Originally Posted by Dapper Andy View Post
    It isn't beneficial when so much of your generation has to rely on my generation just to pay your bills.
    yanno Andy I'm really beginning to wonder how that's gonna pan out as time goes on.
    will you productive young folks balk at the idea of living a far lower standard of life
    just so you can support other peoples grandparents and educate and provide daycare for other people's offspring?
    does anyone see a problem here hmmm?

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    Re: Should Daycare Be Subsidized

    Quote Originally Posted by afr0byte View Post
    I suppose you're against public education too?
    As most responsible parents should be considering the abysmal results currently, and for twenty years, issuing forth.

    "I would rather be exposed to the inconvenience of too much liberty than those attending too small a degree of it." Thomas Jefferson

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    Re: Should Daycare Be Subsidized

    Quote Originally Posted by 0bserver92 View Post
    Should we subsidize the cost of daycare? I was reading a Globe and Mail article (which I can't link to because of the 10 article limit) which talked about the cost of daycare. It was talking about how daycare can cost you 20,000$+ a year thus being a big hit to new families even those making 100,000$+. The couple in the article from Toronto said they spend 13$/day on daycare (fully licensed, nothing fancy daycare) for their child while parents in Quebec can register at government subsidized daycares for 7$/day and there is a waiting list. In France they subsidize daycare and it is means-tested with the lowest price being 50 cents and the highest I think was 13 euros, a day of course. I personally support subsidized daycare as it enables both parents to have successful careers but it is expensive and hard on even the most successful new families, it is not a case of parents that need to make more money or wait but it is just unaffordable and the price needs to be brought down. It also has the benefit of encouraging parents to have more children because they can afford to especially in Quebec where immigration is a problem. I support means-testing as it enables everyone to afford daycare and it avoids waiting lists but Quebec is a nice compromise between the two.
    To be fair, Quebec is not a fair example because they receive billions from the federal government in transfer payments and they use that money to provide a social welfare state. In effect, the people of Ontario, who don't get $7/day daycare and paying for parents in Quebec to get their perk. Secondly, Quebed has an immigration problem because they are an insular, racist society/government that accepts only French speaking newcomers or forces French only education and services on those who come even though the country as a whole is biligual english/french. Nobody who doesn't wish to be ghettoized would move to Quebec.
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    Re: Should Daycare Be Subsidized

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Cant afford them, dont have them.
    Public daycare should be as widely available as public school. "At risk" women and those who cannot afford to have children should be prescribed a birth control regimen and encouraged to stay on it. Welfare entitlements should be conditioned upon adherence to a prescribed birth control regimen.
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    Re: Should Daycare Be Subsidized

    Quote Originally Posted by Sig View Post
    Welfare entitlements should be conditioned upon adherence to a prescribed birth control regimen.
    yanno the Chinese one child rule could be amended and used here: to dumb to reproduce equals sterilization
    I think there was a buncha folks back in the early 40's that had similar ideas?

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    Re: Should Daycare Be Subsidized

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    To be fair, Quebec is not a fair example because they receive billions from the federal government in transfer payments and they use that money to provide a social welfare state. In effect, the people of Ontario, who don't get $7/day daycare and paying for parents in Quebec to get their perk. Secondly, Quebed has an immigration problem because they are an insular, racist society/government that accepts only French speaking newcomers or forces French only education and services on those who come even though the country as a whole is biligual english/french. Nobody who doesn't wish to be ghettoized would move to Quebec.
    Do you know Ontario is a have not province aswell? Quebec may receive the most money but doesn't benefit as much as other provinces who receive less money but has much more affect.You have the right to English language education in Quebec if you were taught English in Canada. That is also the reason private schools are popular it gets around the language rule. Equalization payments exist to prevent having what the Southern States are in the U.S. underfunded therefore provide horrible public services. The provinces are monolingual officially expect New Brunswick and Ontario is not officially bilingual just likes to be. No one forces Quebec to teach in English like no one forces Alberta to teach in French. I speak both languages so I'm fine. I want to live in Quebec mainly because that's where a lot of the jobs are for me.

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    Re: Should Daycare Be Subsidized

    Quote Originally Posted by afr0byte View Post
    I suppose you're against public education too?
    yes if you want your child ruined, with no chance of life success then send em to the 'free schools'.
    cuz everyone knows: you get what you pay for.

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    Re: Should Daycare Be Subsidized

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Happened here a few years ago. Then crashed and most people homes were valued less than what they still owed on them.
    Only because people were idiots and bought houses they couldn't afford at prices they couldn't afford to pay. Those of us who didn't have no problems whatsoever, in fact it inflated the value of my home well over a million dollars.
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