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Should Daycare Be Subsidized

Should Daycare Be Subsidized?

  • Yes, Should Be Fixed Price (Quebec)

    Votes: 2 5.0%
  • Yes, Means-Tested (France)

    Votes: 8 20.0%
  • No, It Should Not Be Subsidized

    Votes: 30 75.0%

  • Total voters
    40
I agree. There should be a social recognition of the consequences and repercussions to having children. Perhaps we should have laws preventing divorce until all children have reached the age of 13; perhaps laws that require the father and mother live together and take care of their child until that age if a child is born out of wedlock...who knows? I'm no social engineer.

I also mentioned acceptance of subsidized daycare for working poor and welfare recipients who prove they are actively seeking and obtaining work. But if you are "living the middle class lifestyle" or better? Having others raise your kids is shirking responsibility; IMO you need to do this yourself if you want any chance for them to grow up well-balanced.

In order to accomplish what you want in the first paragraph, it will take more than laws. It will require a fundamental transformation of our entire entitlement system, and if that were done, I might not object so much to subsidized daycare...
 
...drugs that have hundreds of billions in R&D spent on them in the states.

Pharmaceuticals are to Canada what pirated DVDs are to China.

Nonsense - many of those drugs are developed in Canadian facilities by Canadian researchers and scientists who happen to be working with and for multinational big pharmas. And there are several big pharmas that are based in Canada as well.

Your problem is you think the sun rises and sets in the good old USA and nobody else exists or is capable. It's narrow, arrogant, ignorant thinking.
 
Nonsense - many of those drugs are developed in Canadian facilities by Canadian researchers and scientists who happen to be working with and for multinational big pharmas. And there are several big pharmas that are based in Canada as well.

Your problem is you think the sun rises and sets in the good old USA and nobody else exists or is capable. It's narrow, arrogant, ignorant thinking.

Where can I find out, or find a list of, which drugs were developed in Canada? I'd like to research it.
 
Well if you've got yer kid in government run (subsidized) daycare just until you can dump him into a government run school all I can say is I hope there's a government job waiting for him when he gets out cuz that's about all he's gonna be fit for...
 
Mostly. But I see merit in educating our youth.
Day care is predominatly baby sitting.
Grade school is different.
If its a burden, why did you have the children. Its just one more entitlement, wic, ebt, welfare.

WiC, EBT and Welfare..... Without these, what would happen to families who depend on them? Of course, they should get a job. But, are there/have there ever been enough jobs in America for every person of working age? They shouldn't have had kids in the first place. But what if the parents were laid off, injured or have medical probs and are unable to work after they had their kids? The private sector should help out more. Of course, but I don't think the private sector knows/cares how many people need help.

So what would happen to these families? I think that there would be a lot of hungry, homeless families on our streets. What else might happen?
 
What would happen if people took responsibility for their lives in the (previously) richest nation on earth?
What if all those entitlement cheques went uncashed because the recipients thought charity when taken from others at the point of a gun was wrong?
What if the sun rose in the west tomorrow morning?
For answers to all these questions and more tune in tomorrow.
 
I agree. There should be a social recognition of the consequences and repercussions to having children. Perhaps we should have laws preventing divorce until all children have reached the age of 13; perhaps laws that require the father and mother live together and take care of their child until that age if a child is born out of wedlock...who knows? I'm no social engineer.

That is quite possibly the worst idea I have ever heard. The only thing that will lead to is major physical and emotional abuse and serious harm.
 
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Took responsibility for their lives.... how?

Oh, lived within their means, worked hard, didn't have their hands out to the government for everything. You know... practiced the American dream... wouldn't that be a great thing?
 
Oh, lived within their means, worked hard, didn't have their hands out to the government for everything. You know... practiced the American dream... wouldn't that be a great thing?

No argument there. But my question was focused on .... How to take responsibility for their lives *after* losing their job?
 
No argument there. But my question was focused on .... How to take responsibility for their lives *after* losing their job?

You don't start doing it 30 years into your life, you have to start doing it from day one. If you're that screwed up 30 years into your life, you're almost certainly a lost cause.
 
You don't start doing it 30 years into your life, you have to start doing it from day one. If you're that screwed up 30 years into your life, you're almost certainly a lost cause.

Assume that things were going well, living with modest means with a modest apartment, auto, bills and a modest job. Then, job lay-off or loss of work due to injury or medical condition. Then how does the person who was doing great for 30 years, take responsibility for his life?
 
Assume that things were going well, living with modest means with a modest apartment, auto, bills and a modest job. Then, job lay-off or loss of work due to injury or medical condition. Then how does the person who was doing great for 30 years, take responsibility for his life?

Then they get another job. We're not talking about extreme circumstances where the economy takes a tank for a couple of years, we're talking about normal, regular economic times. People who have an education, who have job skills, who have a work ethic, can get some work, even if they have to work two jobs, to bring home the bacon. Nobody says life has to be easy but it's almost always possible. It's the people who have no job skills, who have no work history, who have no education and still have a dozen kids who are pretty much screwed.
 
Then they get another job. We're not talking about extreme circumstances where the economy takes a tank for a couple of years, we're talking about normal, regular economic times. People who have an education, who have job skills, who have a work ethic, can get some work, even if they have to work two jobs, to bring home the bacon. Nobody says life has to be easy but it's almost always possible. It's the people who have no job skills, who have no work history, who have no education and still have a dozen kids who are pretty much screwed.

What about in the case of medical condition or having non-transferable skills or being older than the desired job candidate?
 
It's beneficial for you that people have children or else the hole will just get deeper as mor people age.

Nonsense. People don't have kids because the government subsides them. The kind of screwing we get from the government doesn't get anyone pregnant.
 
WiC, EBT and Welfare..... Without these, what would happen to families who depend on them? Of course, they should get a job. But, are there/have there ever been enough jobs in America for every person of working age? They shouldn't have had kids in the first place. But what if the parents were laid off, injured or have medical probs and are unable to work after they had their kids? The private sector should help out more. Of course, but I don't think the private sector knows/cares how many people need help.

So what would happen to these families? I think that there would be a lot of hungry, homeless families on our streets. What else might happen?
What if? IF you have a legit reason thats one thing, and I have mentioned that as well as being vested in the system.
But the abuses are what are costing millions if not billions to the US tax payer every year.
But, "I sit around on my ass and collect wic, ebt and whatever else is a hand out. No, you and your offspring can starve or start a garden to eat out of.
The OP is not someon is not someone that fits those catagories, he says he and his wife are working. But wont work "demeaning" jobs. And seems like wont take a second job either.
I have no sympathy for that.
 
What about in the case of medical condition or having non-transferable skills or being older than the desired job candidate?
This was about day care, not what if what if what if what if what if what if what if.
 
WiC, EBT and Welfare..... Without these, what would happen to families who depend on them? Of course, they should get a job. But, are there/have there ever been enough jobs in America for every person of working age? They shouldn't have had kids in the first place. But what if the parents were laid off, injured or have medical probs and are unable to work after they had their kids? The private sector should help out more. Of course, but I don't think the private sector knows/cares how many people need help.

So what would happen to these families? I think that there would be a lot of hungry, homeless families on our streets. What else might happen?
And why are these peoples shortcomings my problem? Sorry if that sounds harsh, but I am part of only 50% of people that pay for the other 50% to not work.
Cant find a job, you are not looking hard enough.
 
Another good debate topic....great people on DebatePolitics...
Maybe a state by state thing.
State Rights can be a useful tool for determining policy.....what works , what does not.
Should we copy the more advanced nations ?
YES, but copying can be risky.
Better is innovation
NO VOTE , I care not for yes and no ...black and white....there should be a "I do not know" option.
 
Another good debate topic....great people on DebatePolitics...
Maybe a state by state thing.
State Rights can be a useful tool for determining policy.....what works , what does not.
Should we copy the more advanced nations ?
YES, but copying can be risky.
Better is innovation

What do you consider "the more advanced nations"?
 
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