View Poll Results: Should Daycare Be Subsidized?

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  • Yes, Should Be Fixed Price (Quebec)

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  • No, It Should Not Be Subsidized

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    Re: Should Daycare Be Subsidized

    Quote Originally Posted by afr0byte View Post
    Nope, it shouldn't. Physicists should be read, not seen, anyways (just a guess based on your info).
    In that case, can you make a copy of the "Liberal Rules For Spending Other People's Money" and give it to me, so I don't have to keep asking and guessing?

    I can make a case for many wasteful ideas because they could "create some benefit, especially to society". They're just as irresponsible as the day care idea, but I'd just wonder which ones are "thumbs up" and which are "thumbs down".

    You keep trying to reduce the symptoms. I'll try to cure the disease.

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    Re: Should Daycare Be Subsidized

    Quote Originally Posted by 0bserver92 View Post
    No why the **** should my wife or I have to work in a factory just to take care of a child, it benefits you and society to have both of us working in well paying and educated jobs and having subsidized daycare than to have one of us work in a degrading job.
    There is your answer. If you find your job "degrading" man up and get a better one.
    Gimmie gimmie gimmie, hey pal. Go out and work for it like I did.

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    Re: Should Daycare Be Subsidized

    Quote Originally Posted by afr0byte View Post
    I'm sorry if I offended you. The comment was not really intended to be a commentary on Somalia as it is today.
    I'm not offended. I'm merely pointing out how, with a single sentence, one can remove all political credibility. You see, the statement ~"Somalia is a libertarian paradise" glaringly displays ignorance:

    1. Libertarian =/= anarchist.
    2. Somalia was ruled by the totalitarian terrorist group Al Shabaab.
    3. Somalia is currenly the recipient of one of the largest international entitlement programs in existence.

    Now, consider how those two things render the statement, upon which you relied, meaningless and confused at best. Spewing ignorance in regard to both political ideology and current geopolitics is rather unbecoming. That you would base this fail on an obviously deeply flawed ~"saying" only makes the statement that much more pathetic; the only thing worse than a parrot is an ignorant parrot.
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    Re: Should Daycare Be Subsidized

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    There is your answer. If you find your job "degrading" man up and get a better one.
    Gimmie gimmie gimmie, hey pal. Go out and work for it like I did.
    Exactly too bad getting a better one requires most families to put their child in daycare.

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    Re: Should Daycare Be Subsidized

    Quote Originally Posted by 0bserver92 View Post
    Should we subsidize the cost of daycare? I was reading a Globe and Mail article (which I can't link to because of the 10 article limit) which talked about the cost of daycare. It was talking about how daycare can cost you 20,000$+ a year thus being a big hit to new families even those making 100,000$+. The couple in the article from Toronto said they spend 13$/day on daycare (fully licensed, nothing fancy daycare) for their child while parents in Quebec can register at government subsidized daycares for 7$/day and there is a waiting list. In France they subsidize daycare and it is means-tested with the lowest price being 50 cents and the highest I think was 13 euros, a day of course. I personally support subsidized daycare as it enables both parents to have successful careers but it is expensive and hard on even the most successful new families, it is not a case of parents that need to make more money or wait but it is just unaffordable and the price needs to be brought down. It also has the benefit of encouraging parents to have more children because they can afford to especially in Quebec where immigration is a problem. I support means-testing as it enables everyone to afford daycare and it avoids waiting lists but Quebec is a nice compromise between the two.
    I am a bit confused with the story, They mention day care costing over $20,000 a year,
    but the example has a couple paying $13 a day.
    So $13 a day X days a week X 52 weeks a year = $3380, or about $281 per month.
    This is quite a bit different than the $1600 a month it would take to get to $20,000 per year.

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    Re: Should Daycare Be Subsidized

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    I'm not offended. I'm merely pointing out how, with a single sentence, one can remove all political credibility. You see, the statement ~"Somalia is a libertarian paradise" glaringly displays ignorance:

    1. Libertarian =/= anarchist.
    2. Somalia was ruled by the totalitarian terrorist group Al Shabaab.
    3. Somalia is currenly the recipient of one of the largest international entitlement programs in existence.

    Now, consider how those two things render the statement, upon which you relied, meaningless and confused at best. Spewing ignorance in regard to both political ideology and current geopolitics is rather unbecomming. That you would base this fail on a obviously deeply flawed ~"saying" only makes the statement that much more pathetic.
    I'm so dreadfully sorry for an off the cuff remark. We can't all be as great as you.

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    Re: Should Daycare Be Subsidized

    Quote Originally Posted by 0bserver92 View Post
    No see that isn't an aspect anymore not even families in their late 20s with successful careers can really afford daycare. By your logic people should never have children till their late 30s when it is incredibly difficult and even then it might not be. Shouldn't we be encouraging young successful families?
    Oh I believe responsible parents of all income levels who live within their means don't have a problem affording daycare. Those who worry about the new cars, a house they can't afford, the vacations they don't want to miss even if it means putting it on a credit card.......... Or the Coach purses, the Harley's and a membership to the Country Club to keep up with the Jone's may find it hard to pay for Daycare.
    Low income families don't pay taxes in fact at the moment we have less than 50% of the good citizens here in the US paying Federal taxes so who do you expect to pick up the tab for the Daycare? Already the lower income receive entitlements in the US that surpasses a couple with two kids both working at Median income.

    Other than Daycare is there anything else you all can think of you would like for those still paying taxes to provide for you? New car? Oil change? Tires? A gift card to your favorite restaurant on your Birthday?

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    Re: Should Daycare Be Subsidized

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    I am a bit confused with the story, They mention day care costing over $20,000 a year,
    but the example has a couple paying $13 a day.
    So $13 a day X days a week X 52 weeks a year = $3380, or about $281 per month.
    This is quite a bit different than the $1600 a month it would take to get to $20,000 per year.
    Sorry I found the article cache it was 73$. 13$ is the French subsidy I think.
    When our daughter had her first birthday, my wife went back to work, so we enrolled our daughter in a daycare, the cost of which averages around $1,600 a month ($73 a day, around $20,000 a year). Our daycare isn’t particularly fancy - the food isn’t organic (gasp!) - but it is registered, clean, the staff are great, and our daughter loves it.

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    Re: Should Daycare Be Subsidized

    Quote Originally Posted by afr0byte View Post
    We can't all be as great as you.
    All? I'd be surprised if anyone could be as great.

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    Re: Should Daycare Be Subsidized

    Quote Originally Posted by 0bserver92 View Post
    Exactly too bad getting a better one requires most families to put their child in daycare.
    Then pay for it. Be a man, be a father, show an example. Rise to the occasion. Dont look for a hand out.

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