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Bush was fair game is Obama?

Is Obama fair game just as Bush was?

  • Yes

    Votes: 32 84.2%

  • No

    Votes: 6 15.8%

  • maybe

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Total voters
    38
Ok, the concensus so far is that King O is fair game. So put on you Obama mask and make fun of the idiot and chief.
 
SgtRock said:
During the GW Bush presidency he was constantly ridiculed in the media and by private citizens. A rodeo clown wearing an Obama mask did an act that the crowd went crazy for and the media and politicians are quick to condemn. The question I pose is Obama fair game just as Bush was?
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Yes. All public officials are fair game for criticism and public ridicule.
 
SgtRock said:
Ok, the concensus so far is that King O is fair game. So put on you Obama mask and make fun of the idiot and chief.
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Fair game for ridicule on policies and such, yes. As for the cute little school yard names and masks, I guess that depends on a persons maturity level.
 
SgtRock said:
During the GW Bush presidency he was constantly ridiculed in the media and by private citizens. A rodeo clown wearing an Obama mask did an act that the crowd went crazy for and the media and politicians are quick to condemn. The question I pose is Obama fair game just as Bush was?
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Funny how all of a sudden the office of the president deserves respect. GWB was ridden far worse than Obama. During the GWB years, anything that was offered against him was considered free speech. But now, well, not so much. Liberals love free speech, but only the speech they agree with.
 
The office of the President deserves respect. And every President deserves respect as a person. But every President, as a politician, is obviously also fair game for ridicule, satire, criticism, etc.
 
babilfish said:
Okay.



Swing and a miss.

Matthews didn't hold that opposition to Obama was racist, merely that certain comments made about Obama were racial in tone and insensitive, and that individuals who ignored the underlying racial tone of these comments were dead wrong.

A far cry from the standard you've set up, wherein any criticism of Obama is considered racist.



Swing and a miss, again.

Eric Dyson held that in reference to Obama's treatment of the supreme court, use the term "bullying" to describe it was something a racist would do.

I might not agree completely with Dyson's assessment...

But again, it is a far cry from the standard you've set up, wherein any criticism of Obama is considered racist.



Swing and a miss, for a third time.

Eric Dyson characterized the GOP's blanket refusal to work with the President in any capacity as racist.

This is again a far cry from the standard you've set up, wherein any criticism of Obama is considered racist.



Hell, all of these are examples of where specific arguments or insults against Obama are deemed racist. Whether they are or are not can be debated, but none of them meet the standard you set forth in your opening post: That Obama is being untreated unfairly compared to Bush, and that any and all criticism of Obama were deemed racist.




These two aren't even worth mentioning, merely a link that ask the same question you do with no substantiative evidence to support it's position and a blog.
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Several of these examples like the ones cited and it becomes clear that any criticism of Obama is indeed going to be considered racist. I mean come on; Republicans refusing to work with a Democrat is racist? Using the word "bullying" is racist? Give us a break.

As a general rule if you have to have taken Race and Gender 101 in order to understand why something is racist then it isn't racist.
 
He is but be prepared to be called raciss! by the media and other ilk.
 
SgtRock said:
During the GW Bush presidency he was constantly ridiculed in the media and by private citizens. A rodeo clown wearing an Obama mask did an act that the crowd went crazy for and the media and politicians are quick to condemn. The question I pose is Obama fair game just as Bush was?
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Sure he is. Though I am always in favor of mockery and criticism within limits. We still have to maintain a modicum of respect to avoid clouding debate.
 
Neosteve said:
NO. People that ridicule Obama are racist haters and they hate the fact that a half black man is in the "White"house.
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Well..that and that he is a clown from Chicago that golfs a lot.
 
LowDown said:
Several of these examples like the ones cited and it becomes clear that any criticism of Obama is indeed going to be considered racist.
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Well no, not in the slightest. All of these are examples of specific arguments made or behavior fostered against Obama, that in a given context, is considered racist by some individual or another, and the reasoning while not always the most solid, is far away from blanket accusation of racism with no sort of logic behind the argument.

I mean come on; Republicans refusing to work with a Democrat is racist?
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Well, I mean, if you reduce his argument to this...

Using the word "bullying" is racist?
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Well, I mean, if you reduce his argument to this...

Give us a break.

As a general rule if you have to have taken Race and Gender 101 in order to understand why something is racist then it isn't racist.
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I'm sorry, is that a thing now? Race and Gender 101, a class where you have to learn how to not be an insufferable bigot?

Me myself, I've never been referred to such a class.
 
babilfish said:
Well no, not in the slightest. All of these are examples of specific arguments made or behavior fostered against Obama, that in a given context, is considered racist by some individual or another, and the reasoning while not always the most solid, is far away from blanket accusation of racism with no sort of logic behind the argument.
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When I look at the specific examples it's hard to imagine what would not fit in the category of "racist".

I'm sorry, is that a thing now? Race and Gender 101, a class where you have to learn how to not be an insufferable bigot?
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No, it's where you go to learn how to find racism where it doesn't exist.
 
LowDown said:
When I look at the specific examples it's hard to imagine what would not fit in the category of "racist".



No, it's where you go to learn how to find racism where it doesn't exist.
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I absolutely agree 100% Race baiters make a living trying to convince the rest of us that racism is prevalent in our society. They spend every waking hour attempting to make white people feel guilt. Like politically correct sensitivity training. It's as if we are trying to create a society where people have a right not to be offended. There is such a thing as right and wrong and there are winners and losers and yes there is racism. But it is not as prevalent as many hyper sensitive people would have you believe.
 
Hussein doesn't have the stomach for taking criticism. It's best to just leave him to his golf game.
 
When will conservatives/Republicans learn Bush isn't in office anymore? Here we are 5 years later, and they still keep bringing up Bush.
 
SgtRock said:
Ok, the concensus so far is that King O is fair game. So put on you Obama mask and make fun of the idiot and chief.
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There's a difference between making fun of the idiot and chief and actively suggesting that he should be injured, potentially fatally in front of a public crowd at a state event.

Learn it.

Can you point to a single event between 2000 and 2008 where someone in front of a large crowd, at a state event actively promoted killing Bush?

Last I checked, "Fair Game" doesn't include death threats, or incitement for assassination.

I consider Obama to be Bush's 3rd and 4th term and Bush made a lot of mistakes, but what happened here went way too far. Now, I don't think that clown should get a lifetime ban, but it still was way past anything acceptable in civil society.
 
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SgtRock said:
During the GW Bush presidency he was constantly ridiculed in the media and by private citizens. A rodeo clown wearing an Obama mask did an act that the crowd went crazy for and the media and politicians are quick to condemn. The question I pose is Obama fair game just as Bush was?
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Of course he is. The Fair owners(commission) went over the top with the ban....I said that in the other thread about the clown.

I did, however mention that as a working musician....it's all at the discretion of the people who run the establishment.....if I go into a bar or club....set up my equipment and rail about politics for a while during my gig.....I'm not going to have a gig. The proprietors would be within their rights to not invite me back, or even pull the plug on me.

While the clown thing isn't exactly the same as a musician....both are still, for the duration of the performance, employees of that establishment by way of contract.

Now.....don't get me wrong...I am not defending the Fair....I think(once again, to get my point across) that they went way too far in the banning of the clown....but they were within their right to do so.
 
Not the same thing. The clown act involved making fun of big lips (a stereotype of black people), and also rammed a pole up his ___s. GWB doesn't have a black stereotype, so that was never done. I never saw a public act, with a crowd applauding and laughing, while a pole was rammed up GWB's ____s. While an MC wished that the bull would kill him.

It crossed a line from humor to hatred...close to a KKK rally.
 
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